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posted April 23, 2011 08:33 AM
Dyno day for the Turbo, saw a 09 Busa and a 06 ZX-14 before me.
Let me say that the Dyno business is wide open and maybe it was that way because it was Good Friday and a lot of people were off. I was about 4th in line. First some advice. If you put a turbo on your bike. Have it tuned. There was two Gen 1 stock Busa's in front of me being tuned for dry kits. nothing special both were around 205-208HP on spray. Then he had a new 09 Busa with 480 miles, Brock Alien head and a BMC filter. It also had all short Velocity stacks in it. 194 RWHP with just an ECU reflash. not bad. plus he has a way of using the A,B,C switch to have two maps. a motor map and a spray map. using the factory ECU. A 06 ZX-14. brock sidewinder. shaved head, degreed cams. He said it was bone stock. MR12 fuel. 203 hp on motor. mine was so rich that he basically started from scratch. He reflashed my ECU for the 62lb./hr injectors. Set the Fuel pressure up from 30 to 42. built a tree off of the hub which is referenced by the GM map sensor. Even though I am not going to run this kind of boost he mapped up to 22 lbs. 442 rear wheel H.P. with no boost controller on C-16. Anyway I was there from 12:30 pm waiting on my turn and got on the dyno about 7:30 PM. he had to stop at 9PM because of noise restrictions. So I left the bike at the shop and told him to call me when it's ready. I want it to have 300 rear wheel H.P. with no stumbles or driveability problems on Av. gas. All he has to do now is clean up all the low speed throttle settings, change to a different wastegate spring and I can pick it up. The ECU flashing is the way to go. full ride report when I get it back Monday.
  
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posted April 23, 2011 09:02 AM
I have a 2008 zx14, alien head, pciii with brocks map because he is down the street from me, bmc race filter. 11,000 miles almost and it was 49 degrees at the time here in Ohio and my bike got 177rwhp and 104 tq!
Why is a Busa getting 194???
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posted April 23, 2011 09:03 AM
How much timing are you pulling on this bike?
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posted April 23, 2011 11:09 AM
442 rwhp, nice! 300 on the street sounds perfect. I had a 2 stage wastegate on the button on a turbo bird pushing up to 23lbs. A boost controller is ideal.
To the guy who made 177 on the 14, all dynos aren't equal. Mine made 179hp on a sticky shinko at the 20th pull during mapping. I heard you lose hp depending on what tire you pull with. Not sure I believe it loses any more then 2 or 3hp despite what some like to say.
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Big_T112
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posted April 23, 2011 11:34 AM
 Edited By: Big_T112 on 23 Apr 2011 19:34
Why is a Busa getting 194. easy... Secondary injectors. the Gen 1'a don't have them. I am no expert on tunning but my guess they are adding fuel to the secondary injectors. 8 is better than 4
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posted April 23, 2011 12:13 PM
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I have a 2008 zx14, alien head, pciii with brocks map because he is down the street from me, bmc race filter. 11,000 miles almost and it was 49 degrees at the time here in Ohio and my bike got 177rwhp and 104 tq!
Why is a Busa getting 194???[/quote
Busa's always dyno higher. but the 14 has better ram air on the track and runs just as good]
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posted April 23, 2011 12:42 PM
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I have a 2008 zx14, alien head, pciii with brocks map because he is down the street from me, bmc race filter. 11,000 miles almost and it was 49 degrees at the time here in Ohio and my bike got 177rwhp and 104 tq!
Why is a Busa getting 194???
Be happy with 177 ... Mine only put down 175 ... 
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NinjaNick
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posted April 23, 2011 02:30 PM
Hey, I beat smokin in something! haha.
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87gtNOS
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posted April 24, 2011 05:09 AM
8 injectors better than 4? Are you saying the ZX14 is starving for fuel? Would the 14 benefit from a newer ZX14 injector?
Oh and, 400+ hp is amazing!!
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posted April 24, 2011 05:25 AM
The 14 is not starving for fuel, in fact the stock injectors can be bumped up in the duty cycle quite a bit before having to go to the next size injector.
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Big_T112
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posted April 24, 2011 06:53 AM
No I am not saying that the 14 is bad or starving for fuel. I am saying there seems to be more tunability with 8 injectors on a stock bike. I know on my 06 1K that the secondary injectors were mapped also which is when it started to really pick up some power. He told me you could get 350 RWHP on an 08 Turbo Busa with just an ECU flash and a 1:1 regulator. ( need pistons and rods). And it will drive like stock. I am getting one and that is going to be my goal. but not a Busa. I am going to do a B-King. same setup.
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posted April 24, 2011 07:07 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 24 Apr 2011 15:10
from my understanding of injectors ..the reason 2 sets is .. 1st set works under 3.5 k rpm's for idle .. the 2nd for 3.5k rpm and above .. because with 1 set of big injectors its hard to get the bike to run right down low at a set pressure rate 42psi.. .. and from my understanding on a gen 2 busa the 2nd set of injectors are only big enough for around 250hp and busa owners have to up grade to s2000 injectors on them also .. I ALSO HEARD that thru ECU editing you can get both set of injectors to work on topend
i maybe wrong BUT
all this info did come off the internet
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01smokes
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posted April 24, 2011 08:20 AM
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from my understanding of injectors ..the reason 2 sets is .. 1st set works under 3.5 k rpm's for idle .. the 2nd for 3.5k rpm and above .. because with 1 set of big injectors its hard to get the bike to run right down low at a set pressure rate 42psi.. .. and from my understanding on a gen 2 busa the 2nd set of injectors are only big enough for around 250hp and busa owners have to up grade to s2000 injectors on them also .. I ALSO HEARD that thru ECU editing you can get both set of injectors to work on topend
i maybe wrong BUT
all this info did come off the internet
250 might be correct with only one set firing and the other hitting half the time like stock. But when you 50-50 them say from 8k on up it's a different game they can and will make some crazy big power. HTP says they have gotten over 500 but with a motec instead of the stock ECU. Also I was told the stock injectors are 500+CCs each so when you 50-50 that's some big power..
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Big_T112
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posted April 24, 2011 09:03 AM
If they did'nt add anything else go ahead and upgrade to secondary injectors on the ZX-14. Did'nt they do that on the last couple of ZX-12's?
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posted April 24, 2011 10:50 AM
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If they did'nt add anything else go ahead and upgrade to secondary injectors on the ZX-14. Did'nt they do that on the last couple of ZX-12's?
single injector per cylinder throttle bodies are on all zx12's
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posted April 24, 2011 10:51 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 24 Apr 2011 18:55
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from my understanding of injectors ..the reason 2 sets is .. 1st set works under 3.5 k rpm's for idle .. the 2nd for 3.5k rpm and above .. because with 1 set of big injectors its hard to get the bike to run right down low at a set pressure rate 42psi.. .. and from my understanding on a gen 2 busa the 2nd set of injectors are only big enough for around 250hp and busa owners have to up grade to s2000 injectors on them also .. I ALSO HEARD that thru ECU editing you can get both set of injectors to work on topend
i maybe wrong BUT
all this info did come off the internet
250 might be correct with only one set firing and the other hitting half the time like stock. But when you 50-50 them say from 8k on up it's a different game they can and will make some crazy big power. HTP says they have gotten over 500 but with a motec instead of the stock ECU. Also I was told the stock injectors are 500+CCs each so when you 50-50 that's some big power..
whens the last HTP bike you seen riden on the street
the injectors are not 500cc injectors .. in that case throw a 50 shot on your busa and use stock injectors ..the gixxers where 1st with this set-up of twin injectors
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posted April 24, 2011 12:24 PM
who was the tuner?
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Big_T112
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posted April 24, 2011 12:42 PM
Steadman motorsports.
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posted April 24, 2011 02:38 PM
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No I am not saying that the 14 is bad or starving for fuel. I am saying there seems to be more tunability with 8 injectors on a stock bike. I know on my 06 1K that the secondary injectors were mapped also which is when it started to really pick up some power. He told me you could get 350 RWHP on an 08 Turbo Busa with just an ECU flash and a 1:1 regulator. ( need pistons and rods). And it will drive like stock. I am getting one and that is going to be my goal. but not a Busa. I am going to do a B-King. same setup.
The gen 2 busa's are realy nice to turbo now with all the subroutines written into the reflash
the ~280cc injectors are normally at 20/80 % at higher throttle positions and this is reset to 50/50% for maximim use of the injectors , mine were good to 17 psi boost ,
currently set from 4 psi in 1st to 14 psi and 342hp in 6th all done with the std ecu
makes me more than a little tempted to use a busa ecu on the 14 for the current turbo project
I have some catching up to do with who has done what do you have a build thread for your bike or just a bit of a list of your combination, looks like its coming together well
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Big_T112
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posted April 24, 2011 06:21 PM
I do have a bui;d thread. It was a junker I picked up at a sale. As soon as I go pick it up Tuesday and get the chinese farings fitted I will do a start to finish post with pics.
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01smokes
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posted April 24, 2011 09:51 PM
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from my understanding of injectors ..the reason 2 sets is .. 1st set works under 3.5 k rpm's for idle .. the 2nd for 3.5k rpm and above .. because with 1 set of big injectors its hard to get the bike to run right down low at a set pressure rate 42psi.. .. and from my understanding on a gen 2 busa the 2nd set of injectors are only big enough for around 250hp and busa owners have to up grade to s2000 injectors on them also .. I ALSO HEARD that thru ECU editing you can get both set of injectors to work on topend
i maybe wrong BUT
all this info did come off the internet
250 might be correct with only one set firing and the other hitting half the time like stock. But when you 50-50 them say from 8k on up it's a different game they can and will make some crazy big power. HTP says they have gotten over 500 but with a motec instead of the stock ECU. Also I was told the stock injectors are 500+CCs each so when you 50-50 that's some big power..
whens the last HTP bike you seen riden on the street
the injectors are not 500cc injectors .. in that case throw a 50 shot on your busa and use stock injectors ..the gixxers where 1st with this set-up of twin injectors
I just put in the a 36 jet in it tonight, I'm just waiting on a fuel pump to see what it will do. I'm gonna see if I'll have enough fuel to run e85 if not I'll just run gay ass c16
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Big_T112
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posted April 25, 2011 06:35 AM
and foul plugs.
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01smokes
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posted April 25, 2011 08:45 AM
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and foul plugs.
Hoping for about 230-240 HP And I know the fuel system is good for that but I wanna see if I can have enough fuel for e85. I have no clue how the spray and e85 will react with each other. I can't really find out much on it
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posted April 25, 2011 06:56 PM
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Why is a Busa getting 194. easy... Secondary injectors. the Gen 1'a don't have them. I am no expert on tunning but my guess they are adding fuel to the secondary injectors. 8 is better than 4
This was the question and answer given.
When I questioned this (194hp Busa due to it's 8 injectors?) you all start a discussion saying it allows easier tuning above 250hp!!!
I was refering to the 177hp 14's vs the 194hp Busas!
Any thoughts?!
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posted April 25, 2011 07:41 PM
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Why is a Busa getting 194. easy... Secondary injectors. the Gen 1'a don't have them. I am no expert on tunning but my guess they are adding fuel to the secondary injectors. 8 is better than 4
This was the question and answer given.
When I questioned this (194hp Busa due to it's 8 injectors?) you all start a discussion saying it allows easier tuning above 250hp!!!
I was refering to the 177hp 14's vs the 194hp Busas!
Any thoughts?!
because the booza is a better bike duh lol no really numbers are just that they are numbers what counts is ET and MPH
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