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posted April 11, 2011 02:40 PM
SpeedoHealer Weirdness - help!
Never saw this one before. I went to start the bike and got a tick when i hit the button but no other sound at all. Turned off ignition, turned back on now I get a tick tick tick tick tick tick just like a stopwatch. Sounds like a switch going on and off. Speedo/tach does the ordinary sweep. No cycle of the fuel pump audible. Multi func looks normal except engine temp gauge is flashing alternating top 3 bars/bottom 3 bars in time with the tick tick tick..... Speedo and tach face lights also flashing. Hit starter button. Got a tick. Still no sound of starter.-------I just rode the bike 45 minutes ago.
battery voltage reads an 11.7 on multi-func.
Speedohealer? I took off the seat and turned the ignition key on. Same crazy instrument cluster reaction. Two lights on PCV are flashing like crazy, too. I have Speedohealer, PCV and Autotune located under seat.
Checked speed sensor connectors, inline hook up with Speedohealer. Looks fine.
Put bike on stand to Test Speedohealer with SEL button, key on, instrumnet cluster still going crazy, got the (t) on the Speedohealer LED display, release button, speedometer needle rises to ~90 mph---that indicates proper installation. Spin rear wheel, (t) flashes and SHAZAM!!!
........fuel pump cycles, instruments return to normal.
I have ridden the bike about 80 miles wih the new mods, Muzzy block off plates, new 17/45 sprockets and chain and Speedohealer. The bike has run fine.
Why is it going crazy all the sudden? Should I ride the bike? Will this happen when I am riding and what would be the result? I have an idea why this might have happened but would like to hear your comments first.
  
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posted April 11, 2011 03:21 PM
Everything is NOT ok.
Flashing instruments again. Repeated Speedohealer test. Speedohealer seems to be working fine but instruments did not clear and bike will not start. I'm stuck.
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posted April 11, 2011 03:51 PM
If you unhook the Speedo healer all together do you get the same result?
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posted April 11, 2011 03:53 PM
Rook, start with all your ground connections, then move to plugs. I've had that one before. Just because you have some voltage does not me you have a good ground. Clean. Reconnect.
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posted April 11, 2011 03:59 PM
New input:
Battery V dropped to 10.something. I hooked up to Schumacher Maintainer. turned on ignition still ticking . flipped engine kill switch to OFF then to RUN Shazam-----ticking stopped, fuel pump spins!
Checked multi func meter and battery V is now 9?
WTF?
Seriously, I would not joke about this. Anybody have a clue what is going on? Starting to think the battery is done for. Stocker is still in from March of 08. Have it on charger but charger is indicating CHARGED. Charged at 9 V? This is very strange.
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posted April 11, 2011 04:03 PM
 Edited By: Rook on 12 Apr 2011 00:15
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If you unhook the Speedo healer all together do you get the same result?
Yes. I unhooked both cables (top speed recall and speed sensor harness) from the module and it did the same thing. I also pulled the module off and pulled it up above the under seat area a few inches to test for interference with other underseat electronics. Made no dif. Not enough cable to pull it far away fron ECU and PCV. Have the Speedohealer cables hooked back up now. The speedohealer is acting normal. Tests normal and I hit the Top speed recall and it went to 190. (I have not done 190 but they must preset that at the SH factory for fun).
Rook, start with all your ground connections, then move to plugs.
Hey, Rom......Thanks. If we had a slapping self in head icon here ......... This is gonna be a PITA, isn't it. I will check battery first. I had it out this winter. It died on me from trying to start bike with TOS disconnected. Seemed like it should have held up better. I think it's cooked. I'l try that ground. Then the Speedohealer ground.
I think it might be the battery. Anybody ever run a battery until it was used up? What dies it do?
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posted April 11, 2011 04:12 PM
where do you have your PCV grounded at?
Just curious...
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posted April 11, 2011 04:15 PM
When i installed my PCV i added a wire and looped it through the frame going to the battery ground bolt. Dont cut the O ring off of the PCV, just add a piece of wire with an O ring on each end. Go from PCV ground point to battery ground point.
Toss it on the battery tender for a few and see what happens.
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posted April 11, 2011 04:19 PM
Edited By: Rook on 12 Apr 2011 00:21
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where do you have your PCV grounded at?
Just curious...
Patrick
On frame, at screw my thimb is pointing at. not at the notorious coolant overflow bottle.
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posted April 11, 2011 04:25 PM
mine is grounded on the lower coolant bottle bolt. i looped the wire from there to thru the frame in the gap by your hand in that pic to the ground bolt on the other side.
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posted April 11, 2011 04:26 PM
Edited By: TH1RT3EN on 12 Apr 2011 00:29
i also have my PCV located in the same place you do under the seat.
If you loop a wire to the other side with the rest of the ground wires for the bike you will be 100% to get a good ground. With a lot of painted surfaces it is difficult to get a good ground with out doing this. I'm not saying it is impossible but running the extra wire helps quite a bit.
And a bad ground can cause the issues your having.
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posted April 11, 2011 04:43 PM
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I think it might be the battery. Anybody ever run a battery until it was used up? What dies it do?
You can't really say what a battery does when it malfunctions just like you can't say what any piece of electronic equipment does when it malfunctions. The battery can short internally, have an open between the cells and the connectors, or it can just not maintain enough voltage and current to crank. It is possible that it is your problem, but I would start with all of your grounds first.
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posted April 11, 2011 04:47 PM
Rook I have dead batteries here on the floor that read 12 volts.
I don't get it you have a brand NEW Shorai battery installed. Can't be Battery ?
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posted April 11, 2011 05:03 PM
NO, ROM--- THAT"S the ONLY GOOD thing here. -----I have not yet installed Shorai because I wanted to see if I could feel any dif between stock and Shorai.
The Shorai is waiting to get taped in. Still.
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I would start with all of your grounds first.
I was afraid of that. We have battery neg post, bat neg screw on frame, PCV ground,,,,,,,,,,,that's it. AT-200 is hooked to PCV and that is its ground. Same thing with DJ LCD---hooked to PCV therefore, grounded through PCV. Speedohealer has no ground either --must be grounded through Speed sensor connectors.
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posted April 11, 2011 05:04 PM
mine did the same thing when the battery started going south. you have a bad battery or bad battery connection. btw a voltmeter is useless for checking batteries
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posted April 11, 2011 07:07 PM
thanks BIG. Have checked PC ground on frame- clean tight. Checked battery ground on frame -clean tight . Removed battery checked - terminal------big white cube........and I just did the baking soda trick a couple months ago because the terminals, especially negative had corrosion falling off.
before I got the stock battery out, I noticed the tick tick tick was slowing down. Also no more display on multifunction meter. Sounds like a battery breathing its last. Either that or I burned something out forking around with this. Tried to start with battery maintainer hooked up and plugged in. Made bad noise from battery area. ERRRRRRRt!
Shorai is going in there. Keep fingers crossed. I'll let you know if it works.
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posted April 11, 2011 09:56 PM
Yup. It was the battery. The Shorai has been sitting ion the closet for 2 months. I put it in and everything looks normal. Too late to start the bike tonight but I doubt there will be any problem. What is the normal voltage supposed to read on the MFDisplay? I'm getting 13v right now without having started it.
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posted April 12, 2011 03:28 AM
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Yup. It was the battery. 13v right now without having started it.
Like posted above Rook. Meter means nothing. Mainly used to see if your charging system is working and is putting out a positive charge when under load. U know if it shows 9v while driving be concerned batt will soon be dead. The More you have above 12v with everything turned on the better.
You gave me a scare. Thought the New Batteries were shit. More ass pounding we could do with out lol.
Glad she is up and running cheers.
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