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posted February 22, 2011 03:51 PM
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Dollar to dollar the ZX14 is the best bike for drag racing . The BMW is the better Twisty track bike for the money.
How fast for racing takes money skill & time with all that the beemer can be very tough playa..
but who pulls up parts receiepts and debates who paid what at the end of the quarter?
speed costs, how fast do we go?
Not only is the BMW more expensive, but it will be slower in the hands of most....at least at the dragstrip.
  
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posted February 22, 2011 03:55 PM
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Dollar to dollar the ZX14 is the best bike for drag racing . The BMW is the better Twisty track bike for the money.
How fast for racing takes money skill & time with all that the beemer can be very tough playa..
but who pulls up parts receiepts and debates who paid what at the end of the quarter?
speed costs, how fast do we go?
Not only is the BMW more expensive, but it will be slower in the hands of most....at least at the dragstrip.
well if you weigh more than a crack head stripper lol i bet it doesnt run the numbers lol
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posted February 22, 2011 03:57 PM
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Ironically, in a way the BMW is somewhat like an expensive ZX-12R...
The 12R, in the right hands, could match or beat the Busa...even with less cc's. A high-winding powerplant, with great potential and design. But in the end the Busa won out because it was faster in most hands, and was more economical/expandable and it's design was relatively simple.
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posted February 22, 2011 08:02 PM
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Dollar to dollar the ZX14 is the best bike for drag racing . The BMW is the better Twisty track bike for the money.
How fast for racing takes money skill & time with all that the beemer can be very tough playa..
but who pulls up parts receiepts and debates who paid what at the end of the quarter?
speed costs, how fast do we go?
Not only is the BMW more expensive, but it will be slower in the hands of most....at least at the dragstrip.
For a Base model BMW is $14500 compared to a ZX14 at $12500 and a busa now at $13200 what aprrox $2000 more than the ZX14 and $800 more than a busa? I think its pretty much priced right there. And as for aftermarket prices go everything for the BMW has been the same as our ZX14, ZX10, and Gixxer 1000. Only thing that was more was the lowering link by $75 bucks. So $2000 kinda looks like chump change compared to the amount of money you have put into your 14.
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posted February 22, 2011 08:18 PM
pazx14rider when are are you guys planing on hitting the track ? It would be cool if you can get some of this on video also .. 
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posted February 22, 2011 08:25 PM
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pazx14rider when are are you guys planing on hitting the track ? It would be cool if you can get some of this on video also ..
Planning on the last weekend in March just snowed here again yesterday so hoping it starts warming up in the next couple of weeks. My brother is going to go and video tape so i will post up videos
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posted February 22, 2011 08:40 PM
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For a Base model BMW is $14500 compared to a ZX14 at $12500 and a busa now at $13200 what aprrox $2000 more than the ZX14 and $800 more than a busa? I think its pretty much priced right there. And as for aftermarket prices go everything for the BMW has been the same as our ZX14, ZX10, and Gixxer 1000. Only thing that was more was the lowering link by $75 bucks. So $2000 kinda looks like chump change compared to the amount of money you have put into your 14.
I paid $10k OTD for my 14...and even with the carbon wheels it probably had about $7k less invested in than Brock's BMW. I'm not sure what you are getting at?
We recently bought a low miles 14 for Racheal, for $5200 including accessories. Do you think it could wallop a BMW with another $9k in investment? 
The BMW is not a performance bargain at all. I mean, it seems to be a great bike...and obviously fast in the right hands...but I don't think it will perform that great for the "average Joe". We'll see...
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posted February 22, 2011 08:46 PM
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pazx14rider when are are you guys planing on hitting the track ? It would be cool if you can get some of this on video also ..
Planning on the last weekend in March just snowed here again yesterday so hoping it starts warming up in the next couple of weeks. My brother is going to go and video tape so i will post up videos
I forgot you guys are up in the snow belt ..March it is .. Can't wait to see your testing and the out come ..
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posted February 22, 2011 09:14 PM
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For a Base model BMW is $14500 compared to a ZX14 at $12500 and a busa now at $13200 what aprrox $2000 more than the ZX14 and $800 more than a busa? I think its pretty much priced right there. And as for aftermarket prices go everything for the BMW has been the same as our ZX14, ZX10, and Gixxer 1000. Only thing that was more was the lowering link by $75 bucks. So $2000 kinda looks like chump change compared to the amount of money you have put into your 14.
I paid $10k OTD for my 14...and even with the carbon wheels it probably had about $7k less invested in than Brock's BMW. I'm not sure what you are getting at?
We recently bought a low miles 14 for Racheal, for $5200 including accessories. Do you think it could wallop a BMW with another $9k in investment?
The BMW is not a performance bargain at all. I mean, it seems to be a great bike...and obviously fast in the right hands...but I don't think it will perform that great with the "average Joe". We'll see...
Shane
Have you been out of your garage in the past year and a half and priced bikes?? They have gone up in price. Were not comparing used bikes to used bikes! Someday you can when theres used BMW's to be picked up. Ohh $7k less invested in your zx14 than Brocks BMW? You might want to go back and check your 70 page write up of mulitiple exhaust, swingarms, bodywork, batteries, etc etc... And besides i never said this was the cheapest bike against the cheapest bike
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posted February 22, 2011 09:26 PM
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Ohh $7k less invested in your zx14 than Brocks BMW? You might want to go back and check your 70 page write up of mulitiple exhaust, swingarms, bodywork, batteries, etc etc... And besides i never said this was the cheapest bike against the cheapest bike
There is probably $25k in Brock's bike. What you don't seem to grasp is that I tried a lot of parts, many purchased at discount, and sold what I didn't use.
As far as "pricing bikes lately"...I promise you it is easier to buy a 14 at discount than a BMW. In fact, there are some new '09's for under $10k currently on Ebay. Why so hostile??
Nonetheless, I look forward to hearing the results with your buddies BMW. 
Shane
PS. How much does your buddy weigh?? Is he jockey-sized?
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posted February 23, 2011 04:56 AM
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Ohh $7k less invested in your zx14 than Brocks BMW? You might want to go back and check your 70 page write up of mulitiple exhaust, swingarms, bodywork, batteries, etc etc... And besides i never said this was the cheapest bike against the cheapest bike
There is probably $25k in Brock's bike. What you don't seem to grasp is that I tried a lot of parts, many purchased at discount, and sold what I didn't use.
As far as "pricing bikes lately"...I promise you it is easier to buy a 14 at discount than a BMW. In fact, there are some new '09's for under $10k currently on Ebay. Why so hostile??
Nonetheless, I look forward to hearing the results with your buddies BMW.
Shane
PS. How much does your buddy weigh?? Is he jockey-sized?
This is why most people respect Shane, level headed and fair JMO.
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posted February 23, 2011 06:02 AM
just got a new 09 for 9300 otd at a local dealer about 30 mins away from me
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posted February 23, 2011 10:33 AM
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Ohh $7k less invested in your zx14 than Brocks BMW? You might want to go back and check your 70 page write up of mulitiple exhaust, swingarms, bodywork, batteries, etc etc... And besides i never said this was the cheapest bike against the cheapest bike
There is probably $25k in Brock's bike. What you don't seem to grasp is that I tried a lot of parts, many purchased at discount, and sold what I didn't use.
As far as "pricing bikes lately"...I promise you it is easier to buy a 14 at discount than a BMW. In fact, there are some new '09's for under $10k currently on Ebay. Why so hostile??
Nonetheless, I look forward to hearing the results with your buddies BMW.
Shane
PS. How much does your buddy weigh?? Is he jockey-sized?
Hostility? None here...just disputing your therory thinking the BMW is overpriced? Your right you can buy a new ZX14 for $10k. He paid $14k for the BMW with a factory abs, traction control, quickshifter, and Brembo Brakes. $4000 for all that, try purchasing all that for a ZX14 and you will be well over $4k. And ofcourse none of that is going to do much at the dragstrip even the quickshifter still needs pressure from your foot to activate, thats why were installing an air shifter. All this aside theres no where near $25k in our BMW. Factory oil, clutch mod, arm, wheels, ceramic bearings, shift clynder, shift selenoid, horn activation box, rear sprocket, chain, exhaust, pcv. We both Wieigh 180 in shorts. so were not fly weights by anymeans but not big boys either. I will probably run the best numbers on it cuz i have had more seat time at the track.
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posted February 23, 2011 10:38 AM
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Ohh $7k less invested in your zx14 than Brocks BMW? You might want to go back and check your 70 page write up of mulitiple exhaust, swingarms, bodywork, batteries, etc etc... And besides i never said this was the cheapest bike against the cheapest bike
There is probably $25k in Brock's bike. What you don't seem to grasp is that I tried a lot of parts, many purchased at discount, and sold what I didn't use.
As far as "pricing bikes lately"...I promise you it is easier to buy a 14 at discount than a BMW. In fact, there are some new '09's for under $10k currently on Ebay. Why so hostile??
Nonetheless, I look forward to hearing the results with your buddies BMW.
Shane
PS. How much does your buddy weigh?? Is he jockey-sized?
Hostility? None here...just disputing your therory thinking the BMW is overpriced? Your right you can buy a new ZX14 for $10k. He paid $14k for the BMW with a factory abs, traction control, quickshifter, and Brembo Brakes. $4000 for all that, try purchasing all that for a ZX14 and you will be well over $4k. And ofcourse none of that is going to do much at the dragstrip even the quickshifter still needs pressure from your foot to activate, thats why were installing an air shifter. All this aside theres no where near $25k in our BMW. Factory oil, clutch mod, arm, wheels, ceramic bearings, shift clynder, shift selenoid, horn activation box, rear sprocket, chain, exhaust, pcv. We both Wieigh 180 in shorts. so were not fly weights by anymeans but not big boys either. I will probably run the best numbers on it cuz i have had more seat time at the track.
Sounds good keep us posted.
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posted February 23, 2011 11:06 AM
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All this aside theres no where near $25k in our BMW. Factory oil, clutch mod, arm, wheels, ceramic bearings, shift clynder, shift selenoid, horn activation box, rear sprocket, chain, exhaust, pcv.
Doesn't sound like $25k invested...but those mods are roughly $8k alone. So, I think you see where I am coming from. Sounds like your buddy got a great deal if he got the BMW OTD for $14k. Can't wait to see what it runs!
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posted February 23, 2011 02:00 PM
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All this aside theres no where near $25k in our BMW. Factory oil, clutch mod, arm, wheels, ceramic bearings, shift clynder, shift selenoid, horn activation box, rear sprocket, chain, exhaust, pcv.
Doesn't sound like $25k invested...but those mods are roughly $8k alone. So, I think you see where I am coming from. Sounds like your buddy got a great deal if he got the BMW OTD for $14k. Can't wait to see what it runs!
Shane
Ya my buddy just picked up a 2010 for 16.3 OTD and that was cheaper than the 2011 that he wanted by about a grand.
Ether way he paid over twice what I paid for my genII that had 900 miles on it when I got it...
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posted February 23, 2011 03:30 PM
Just wondering pazx14rider what do you run on the other bikes ET and MPH and if you can add in the 60' that why we have an idea of what the said bikes already run with you on them
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posted February 23, 2011 03:32 PM
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Dollar to dollar the ZX14 is the best bike for drag racing . The BMW is the better Twisty track bike for the money.
How fast for racing takes money skill & time with all that the beemer can be very tough playa..
but who pulls up parts receiepts and debates who paid what at the end of the quarter?
speed costs, how fast do we go?
Not only is the BMW more expensive, but it will be slower in the hands of most....at least at the dragstrip.
ya i was gonna say about that as well, the quickest one i have seen with a regular guy on it not and crack head strippers that are jocks run is a 10.20@144 with a slip on on it that was a 200lb rider that was doing that
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posted February 23, 2011 03:43 PM
Well if I remember right PAZX was running 9.40s so I can't wait to see how fast this BMW is.
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posted February 23, 2011 04:20 PM
Didn't 't Jesse get a BMW? He was fast on his 14, I wonder if he's run his BMW yet. Last I heard is he was setting it up for SS.
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posted February 23, 2011 05:49 PM
My best on the 14 was a 9.20 at 149mph. Im going to have to look the slip up to see what the 60 ft was though.Right now the 14 is getting a new arm installed so it will be 4 inches longer than last year. So the bmw has a +9 in arm and the 14 will have a +10 arm. I raced the gixxer one nite last year best was a 10.02 forget what the mph was and that was a stoch wheelbase. I ran 2 passes only on his zx10 last year both were 9.67 passes. We did some roll ons with the gixxer and 10 last year and the zx10 had nothing for the gixxer so kinda anxious to see what it runs now. Did roll ons with the bmw and gixxer and the gixxer got stomped really bad even with us switching bikes. Some guys were up from mir last year and said its 2-3 tenths slower up here im thi.king the altitude but who knows.
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posted February 23, 2011 05:51 PM
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My best on the 14 was a 9.20 at 149mph. Im going to have to look the slip up to see what the 60 ft was though.Right now the 14 is getting a new arm installed so it will be 4 inches longer than last year. So the bmw has a +9 in arm and the 14 will have a +10 arm. I raced the gixxer one nite last year best was a 10.02 forget what the mph was and that was a stoch wheelbase. I ran 2 passes only on his zx10 last year both were 9.67 passes. We did some roll ons with the gixxer and 10 last year and the zx10 had nothing for the gixxer so kinda anxious to see what it runs now. Did roll ons with the bmw and gixxer and the gixxer got stomped really bad even with us switching bikes. Some guys were up from mir last year and said its 2-3 tenths slower up here im thi.king the altitude but who knows.
What is your "home" track?
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posted February 23, 2011 07:07 PM
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My best on the 14 was a 9.20 at 149mph. Im going to have to look the slip up to see what the 60 ft was though.Right now the 14 is getting a new arm installed so it will be 4 inches longer than last year. So the bmw has a +9 in arm and the 14 will have a +10 arm. I raced the gixxer one nite last year best was a 10.02 forget what the mph was and that was a stoch wheelbase. I ran 2 passes only on his zx10 last year both were 9.67 passes. We did some roll ons with the gixxer and 10 last year and the zx10 had nothing for the gixxer so kinda anxious to see what it runs now. Did roll ons with the bmw and gixxer and the gixxer got stomped really bad even with us switching bikes. Some guys were up from mir last year and said its 2-3 tenths slower up here im thi.king the altitude but who knows.
What is your "home" track?
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posted February 23, 2011 08:11 PM
so your gonna be comparing a 64" bike to a 68" bike hows that gonna work out
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posted February 24, 2011 06:51 AM
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so your gonna be comparing a 64" bike to a 68" bike hows that gonna work out
Well if the 64" bike pulls a worse 60ft than the 68" bike and runs a better time that would be the faster bike imo?
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