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posted April 17, 2011 01:21 PM
Here's some more pictures.... I snapped this of the Gann multi-stage (which I got working now)
and here's where the magic happens.... uh..... i mean.... is going to happen....
  
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posted April 17, 2011 02:31 PM
 Edited By: 1badzx12r on 17 Apr 2011 22:32
were in the hell you have that oil return line dumping into ..
and how is that gann a multi-stage
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posted April 17, 2011 03:15 PM
Edited By: Big_T112 on 17 Apr 2011 23:17
The gann has weigths on the arms and springs holding them which makes it a multi stage. If you didn't have the secondary springs you see in the picture it would be a single stage. I got mine running got to go have it tuned. It is pig rich just off idle. all I have to do now is put a boost gauge on it. In the other pic on the last page it is just sticking up in the air. I think he is draining back to the clutch cover.
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posted April 17, 2011 07:57 PM
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The gann has weigths on the arms and springs holding them which makes it a multi stage. If you didn't have the secondary springs you see in the picture it would be a single stage.
purdy damn cheesy multi-stage ..i would think a true multi stage would let you set the arms to come in at differant rpm level .. like a 6 arm lock-up 2 springs at 10lbs then 2 more at 16lbs and 2 more at 20lbs .. this 5 arm gann multi stage is more like a glorified single stage .. you can't off set it or you have a balance issue .. like if you used the springs you would have to change the weight to multi-stage it and 5 arms makes for odd ball ..
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posted April 17, 2011 08:01 PM
Nice work,
Hope you don't mind a few questions
Is there a good clutch option besides lockup, ? thinking ahead to my options when i fit the kit to mine ,
Who supplies the thicker cometic gasket ? and are head studs available or are the std bolts fine
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posted April 17, 2011 08:02 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 18 Apr 2011 04:03
this is what i call a multistage http://www.haysmachineworks.com/shopping/?page_id=78
the new T3 series Convertable Clutch can be used in
3 arm configuration,
4 arm configuration,
6 arm configuration
to provide precisely the amount of lockup for your application.
In addition to the features listed above the T3 can be used as a
Triple Stage engine driven lockup
Multi Stage Slider
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posted April 18, 2011 04:05 PM
Correct. but they are not that bad set up for a streetbike. I have had good success with them.
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posted April 18, 2011 08:42 PM
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were in the hell you have that oil return line dumping into ..
and how is that gann a multi-stage
return line going to the oil pan on the bench. LOL
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posted April 19, 2011 03:54 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 19 Apr 2011 11:58
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were in the hell you have that oil return line dumping into ..
and how is that gann a multi-stage
return line going to the oil pan on the bench. LOL
the scavanger pump is also mounted backwards .. i don't think he'll get the fairing on .. but the lines are routed correct ..and it needs a heat shield from the exhaust ..i learnt that one the hard way 3 pumps in 1 year .. i put the heat shield 1 pump has lasted 2 years
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posted April 19, 2011 01:08 PM
ya thats not a real multi, shit my custom made setup is closer to a multi than that. thats the draw back of the 5 arm 5 spring setup. i have 2 free arms with some weight (like a single stage), and 2 arms that have hold back springs with weight. no real need for the other 2 so they arent on  . the free arms kick in at a lower clutch rpm than the ones with the springs. its a lot better than just a single stage, and cost me $6 to convert from my single to "double"
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posted April 19, 2011 04:44 PM
Gilb,
Thanks for the build thread!!!! I think everything looks good man and you have done a good job so far. Keep us posted.
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gilberjj
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posted April 26, 2011 11:38 AM
Ok....... how's this....... I took a picture of my Gann lockup clutch who is currently going through a personality crisis, and doesn't know whether to be multi, bi, or single...
Also, yes, the oil is draining back to the clutch cover (which I've tapped).
And, a cheap clutch alternative is to just purchase the Cycle Logic lock up clutch. Simple and effective (from what I've heard).
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posted April 26, 2011 12:19 PM
Does this bike run yet?
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posted April 26, 2011 02:00 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 26 Apr 2011 22:02
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Ok....... how's this....... I took a picture of my Gann lockup clutch who is currently going through a personality crisis, and doesn't know whether to be multi, bi, or single...
Also, yes, the oil is draining back to the clutch cover (which I've tapped).
And, a cheap clutch alternative is to just purchase the Cycle Logic lock up clutch. Simple and effective (from what I've heard).
theres nothing wrong with your gann and i'd use it ..i just don't see it use much as a multi
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posted April 26, 2011 03:09 PM
its a smoother single stage imo. run it for sure
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posted April 28, 2011 01:38 PM
Yes, I am definetly planning on running the Gann. It's a nice clutch.
No, the bike is not yet running. I got it running to check for bugs, and there were a few. In trying to fix one of the bugs (an oil leak on the oil pan where I tapped for the oil feed), I took off the oil pan, and sent it out to be completely refilled, drilled and tapped again. I used an incorrect drill bit the first time, and drilled the hole just a touch too big, causing the feed to weep just a drop of oil..... but that was just at idle. I don't want my bike to be a drippy HD, so I decided to send the pan out to have it fixed and done right. $60 later (which is cheap), I should be getting my oil pan back today or tomorrow, putting it back together and maybe tuning it next week. Who knows. I used to have a lot more motivation to get this together because I didn't want to miss the first race of the season, but that's already out the window. So now I'm more focused on work (which is killing me), and putting it together correctly. I'll continue with the updates as they occur.
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posted April 28, 2011 02:59 PM
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Yes, I am definetly planning on running the Gann. It's a nice clutch.
No, the bike is not yet running. I got it running to check for bugs, and there were a few. In trying to fix one of the bugs (an oil leak on the oil pan where I tapped for the oil feed), I took off the oil pan, and sent it out to be completely refilled, drilled and tapped again. I used an incorrect drill bit the first time, and drilled the hole just a touch too big, causing the feed to weep just a drop of oil..... but that was just at idle. I don't want my bike to be a drippy HD, so I decided to send the pan out to have it fixed and done right. $60 later (which is cheap), I should be getting my oil pan back today or tomorrow, putting it back together and maybe tuning it next week. Who knows. I used to have a lot more motivation to get this together because I didn't want to miss the first race of the season, but that's already out the window. So now I'm more focused on work (which is killing me), and putting it together correctly. I'll continue with the updates as they occur.
Hahaha I'm the same way now that I missed a couple races I'm like I can wait a few more weeks lol
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gilberjj
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posted April 28, 2011 03:08 PM
Oil pan just got back. Looks great.
Goal for this weekend.
Start bike, and get it ready to tune.
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posted April 29, 2011 06:39 AM
My bike is still at the Dyno. He is located near Cullman which is one of the hardest hit areas by the recent Tornado's. I have not been able to get in touch with him and hope he/it didn't get wiped out. alot of people are without power and cell service is weak becuse so many towers were knocked down. hopefully I will hear something soon. On a more brighter note. your bike seems to be coming along well. Can't wait to hear a ride report.
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posted April 29, 2011 07:11 PM
Got my fuel system completed. Looks like the modded fpr I got from compton was perfect. Right where I wanted it (65 psi). Thanks again Compton!
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posted April 29, 2011 07:15 PM
Here's what the gauges will look like..... Well, they will be centered, but you get the idea.
0-100 psi fuel pressure
0-15 boost
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posted April 29, 2011 08:56 PM
So how are you guys doing the fuel pressure , is that 65 psi base pressure with no pressure referencing or will that rise with boost ?
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posted April 29, 2011 10:13 PM
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So how are you guys doing the fuel pressure , is that 65 psi base pressure with no pressure referencing or will that rise with boost ?
That's how I'm attempting to do it but I don't think anyone else has done it that way. I just modified the stock fuel pressure regulator.
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posted April 29, 2011 11:19 PM
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So how are you guys doing the fuel pressure , is that 65 psi base pressure with no pressure referencing or will that rise with boost ?
That's how I'm attempting to do it but I don't think anyone else has done it that way. I just modified the stock fuel pressure regulator.
I did it like that. It worked fine but I was using a FPR set at 42 psi with the vacuum line unplugged so it would not raise the fuel pressure. I ran it with he vacuum line in as well. But I shad a stumble when boost would come in and I could not get rid of it. So I just ran it with out the reference line.
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posted April 30, 2011 02:53 PM
update: Started it up. Ran like poop. The a/f ratio meter was telling me my idle was in the 10-11:1 range. That's way too rich. Also, my fuel pressure was way too high.
So, I swapped out the modified fuel pressure regulator (65 psi) for the stock fuel pressure regulator (42ish psi) and the idle improved. Then I went about leaning out the idle, and now it idles just like stock. I'm idling it between 15-17:1. I'll let my tuner Nels figure out the rest!
Still to do...
A lot of little things.
Install boost controller
Route boost hose for boost gauge
install bov and charge pipe
Install all body work
DYNOING ON WED!!!!
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