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posted January 14, 2011 01:29 PM
You added .040" with the new head gasket. That's going to throw your cam timing off by several degrees! If it was only a .010" different I wouldn't worry too much about it, but you more than doubled the head gasket thickness!
  
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posted January 14, 2011 01:32 PM
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insurance since you routed a oil line to the turbo .IMHO
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posted January 14, 2011 01:39 PM
You are correct that it would be bad to run a TRUE 11.5:1 a/f ratio on e85. Since e85 uses about 30-40% more fuel at WOT, and the stoich for e85 is 9.76:1 (as opposed to 14.7:1 for gasoline), the true a/f ratio desired on e85 is around 7.64:1 a/f under WOT. However, since almost all wide-bands are calibrated for lambda (represented as 1.0) to achieve their numerical a/f ratios, therefore, a true a/f of 9.76:1 will appear as 14.7:1, and, 7.64:1 (the target a/f under WOT) will appear as 11.5:1 a/f on the wide-band gauge.
So, I will tune for 11.5:1 on the gauge, all while knowing it's actually 7.64:1. 
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posted January 14, 2011 01:45 PM
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You added .040" with the new head gasket. That's going to throw your cam timing off by several degrees! If it was only a .010" different I wouldn't worry too much about it, but you more than doubled the head gasket thickness!
hmmm.... If I were to buy the adjustable cam sprockets, how many degrees should I retard them?
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posted January 14, 2011 03:08 PM
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You added .040" with the new head gasket. That's going to throw your cam timing off by several degrees! If it was only a .010" different I wouldn't worry too much about it, but you more than doubled the head gasket thickness!
hmmm.... If I were to buy the adjustable cam sprockets, how many degrees should I retard them?
Set them to 105 105 and you will be fine ..
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posted January 14, 2011 03:39 PM
tune like you would on gas set it at 11.5 to 11.7... you have enough fuel to make some big power now
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posted January 14, 2011 03:46 PM
Thanks for your 2 cents badguy. $80 seems steep for what it is. Maybe I'll call them and make an offer..... haha
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tune like you would on gas set it at 11.5 to 11.7... you have enough fuel to make some big power now
My restriction at this point is probably my stock fuel rail. My good friend and mechanic who builds high hp evos and hondas thinks it's plenty big enough for 300 whp on e85.
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posted January 14, 2011 04:51 PM
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Thanks for your 2 cents badguy. $80 seems steep for what it is. Maybe I'll call them and make an offer..... haha
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tune like you would on gas set it at 11.5 to 11.7... you have enough fuel to make some big power now
My restriction at this point is probably my stock fuel rail. My good friend and mechanic who builds high hp evos and hondas thinks it's plenty big enough for 300 whp on e85.
its gonna be tough to say, i went with the big rail from Compton and -6 feed and return and all the AN fittings got hella expensive lol its crazy to think how much a good fuell system costs. But thats the one part i would never skimp on that its the most important part of a FI build i think
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posted February 05, 2011 05:01 PM
Crap, I forgot that I started this thread..... well..... I did a bunch more stuff to my bike, and it's going to be really fast...... how's that?
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posted February 05, 2011 05:06 PM
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Crap, I forgot that I started this thread..... well..... I did a bunch more stuff to my bike, and it's going to be really fast...... how's that?
then i would like to race you ..
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posted February 05, 2011 09:01 PM
1sad, I'll wipe the floor with you....... 
Thanks for the clutch by the way, it looks great!
I'm looking for mid 8's, and I want to trap close to 170. What are your goals?
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posted February 05, 2011 09:50 PM
6.20@250+ lol
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posted February 06, 2011 07:01 AM
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1sad, I'll wipe the floor with you.......
Thanks for the clutch by the way, it looks great!
I'm looking for mid 8's, and I want to trap close to 170. What are your goals?
to just beat you ..all that other shit is just numbers ..
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posted February 06, 2011 07:04 AM
hey gilberjj, are you still planning on running the real street spacers? If so, why? Since you're not running in that class and your goal is to be the fastest, I would think that you would want to put a single stage lockup in it so that you could keep the easy clutch pull and still get all the grip that you need. You have to think. These guys that are changing their clutches out every weekend. If you're making 300 hp, I don't see a stock clutch lasting too long on that setup before it starts slipping on the big end.
I have been wrong before though lol
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posted February 06, 2011 07:11 AM
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6.20@250+ lol
that 1 out of every 200 passes kind of numbers ..
and march is around the corner ..TK211
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posted February 06, 2011 08:49 AM
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6.20@250+ lol
that 1 out of every 200 passes kind of numbers ..
and march is around the corner ..TK211
Oh ya it is that's the weekend Where records Are broken the track will have so much fucking prep on it, and hopefully we have some negative DA like we did last year. But I sure as hell hope to get down to the high. 30s low. 40s at 165 plus. I just hope I can get a handle on the nitrous set up as soon as I get there.
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posted February 06, 2011 09:05 AM
I'M just hoping to get down the track !!!!! .. all the tracks been closed the last month due to weather .
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posted February 06, 2011 09:42 AM
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I'M just hoping to get down the track !!!!! .. all the tracks been closed the last month due to weather .
What's the weather been Like that way has it been cold or snow. We just had some records smashed. It was -30 here last week some crazy shit I tell you.
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posted February 06, 2011 09:47 AM
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6.20@250+ lol
hell, 1bad already runs 6.20's... they're in the 1/8th, but they're still 6.20's nonetheless.
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posted February 06, 2011 10:09 AM
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I'M just hoping to get down the track !!!!! .. all the tracks been closed the last month due to weather .
What's the weather been Like that way has it been cold or snow. We just had some records smashed. It was -30 here last week some crazy shit I tell you.
WE HAD SNOW FRIDAY .. These people freak out with ice and snow .. it beautiful today and i'm going riding in a few
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posted February 06, 2011 10:10 AM
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6.20@250+ lol
hell, 1bad already runs 6.20's... they're in the 1/8th, but they're still 6.20's nonetheless.
not true .sometimes i run 8.20's too .. but at least i'm racing ..
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posted February 06, 2011 11:25 AM
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hey gilberjj, are you still planning on running the real street spacers? If so, why? Since you're not running in that class and your goal is to be the fastest, I would think that you would want to put a single stage lockup in it so that you could keep the easy clutch pull and still get all the grip that you need. You have to think. These guys that are changing their clutches out every weekend. If you're making 300 hp, I don't see a stock clutch lasting too long on that setup before it starts slipping on the big end.
I have been wrong before though lol
I have a gann single stage lockup. I came to the same conclusion.
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posted February 06, 2011 11:31 AM
Here it is....
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posted February 06, 2011 11:33 AM
I don't know my best 1/8th mile time, but I think it's 6.0x. I know I never got into the 5's though. My best 1/4 is 9.48@142.
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posted February 06, 2011 12:20 PM
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my lock-up http://www.haysmachineworks.com/shopping/?page_id=78/?wpcosearchterm=Kawasaki+clutch+slider+clutch+Hays+Convertable+Clutch+ZX14+clutches
1 these days i need to try that slider mode just for the heck of it ..
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