gilberjj
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posted January 14, 2011 08:20 AM
gilberjj's turbo build (project: fastest ninja in the NW)
First things first, thanks so much for everyone helping me out throughout this process. I realize I ask a ton of questions, and it can get annoying at times.
I named this project, fastest ninja in the Northwest. I think it helps to be ambitious. To my knowledge, the fastest ninja in the NW is a zx14 with a 40 shot that ran 8.67@163. My bike will be longer, and have more power, but will I have the skill to outdo this other bike???
Here's a list of the stuff I'm doing to the bike
Turbo kit:
cycle logic partial turbo kit
evo 3 big 16g turbo
tial 38mm external wastegate
gen 1 dsm blow off valve
Engine:
custom cometic .070" head gasket (lowers compression to roughly 10.29:1 compression from 12:1)
carpenter heavy duty valve springs
muzzy block off plates
Clutch:
Brocks real street springs and spacers
Fuel system:
Five-o motorsports 700cc injectors
walbro 255lph in-tank fuel pump
begi 2025 rising rate fuel pressure regulator
Chassis:
12" over swingarm (I will probably get this from SB Customs)
Revalved drag race shock (either BMC or Trac)
Sorry for the sucky pictures, they were taken on my iphone.
Disassembly
I had to drill and tap the oil pan for a feed to the turbo. There's a little clutch dust in the pan..... That's what happens when you get in 25+ runs at one test n tune...
Partial turbo kit
Now the turbo....
I'll explain what had to be done here.
As you can see from the parts list, I'm running an external Tial wastegate. Since there is no room for a wastegate on the manifold, I removed the internal wastegate, added a divider to the turbine and wastegate area, and ported the heck out of the turbine housing to ensure I'll get enough exhaust flow for low boost (to make sure the wastegate can bypass enough exhaust gas).
The porting begins
Ceramic coated the exhaust housing, and here's what it now looks like on the bike.
Lowering the motor to pull the head (what at pita)
  
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gilberjj
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posted January 14, 2011 08:26 AM
Custom cometic head gasket
Carpenter valve springs
Here's a shot of the motor. Pistons and cylinders looked great. No vertical scarring on the cylinder walls, and you can still see the cross-hatching marks from the honing.
Head
Keep everything organized!
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1badzx12r
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posted January 14, 2011 09:08 AM
put a sheild to block the scavanger pump from heat . or its toast after 1000 miles or so ..
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posted January 14, 2011 09:10 AM
interesting on how your valves look on #4 in your pic of the head ..
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posted January 14, 2011 09:57 AM
The bike is gonna be drounding in fuel with the 700cc injectors and the 6:1 raising rate regulator.
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posted January 14, 2011 10:08 AM
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The bike is gonna be drounding in fuel with the 700cc injectors and the 6:1 raising rate regulator.
i hope thats the case running E85 in my case but i ordered the 630cc..
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Meangreen14
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posted January 14, 2011 10:51 AM
i have my scavenger pump mounted on bottom of oil pan, do i need to shield mine?
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posted January 14, 2011 10:56 AM
also im on my second oxygen sensor, the dyne guy hear told me its because the exhaust is to short and sensor is too close to the tub exhaust dump its like an inch from exhaust port
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posted January 14, 2011 11:09 AM
its about 6inches long ill put a better pic of it when i get home
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gilberjj
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posted January 14, 2011 11:21 AM
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put a sheild to block the scavanger pump from heat . or its toast after 1000 miles or so ..
Hmmm..... I did ceramic coat the turbine housing, but a shield should be easy...
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interesting on how your valves look on #4 in your pic of the head ..
Interesting.... never noticed that. What do you think it is? Here's a closeup
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The bike is gonna be drounding in fuel with the 700cc injectors and the 6:1 raising rate regulator.
2 important notes......
1. I'll be using e85
2. The most I'll use is 3:1......... I might sell the begi and get a 1:1 though.......
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also im on my second oxygen sensor, the dyne guy hear told me its because the exhaust is to short and sensor is too close to the tub exhaust dump its like an inch from exhaust port
If you're running leaded fuel (race gas), that will kill o2 sensors. And yes, heat will kill exhaust sensors too. Move it more towards the tip of the downpipe.
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posted January 14, 2011 11:24 AM
ok cool
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gilberjj
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posted January 14, 2011 11:26 AM
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ok cool
What a/f do you tune to under boost?
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smokinZX14
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posted January 14, 2011 11:54 AM
Did you set your cam timing ? Putting a 70 thou gasket will toss your Valve timing way off ..
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posted January 14, 2011 11:57 AM
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ok cool
What a/f do you tune to under boost?
I set them up realy fat .. 11.7. But guys like Johnny Turbo pushes it a bit more at 12.0. .. I like safety ... 
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posted January 14, 2011 12:11 PM
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ok cool
What a/f do you tune to under boost?
I set them up realy fat .. 11.7. But guys like Johnny Turbo pushes it a bit more at 12.0. .. I like safety ...
That wont work to well on e85
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posted January 14, 2011 12:18 PM
thats the thing i have a super fat map haven't got to dynobecause of dump pupe is too short, i supposedly broke the last o2 sensor on the last dyne attempt and he wont tune it for me till i get different pipe,
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posted January 14, 2011 12:18 PM
its at 10.2 under boost lol
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posted January 14, 2011 12:23 PM
i have to take pipe off cut mesure and order some stainless pipe and make it come out the side of bike, its currently dumping straight under the bike
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gilberjj
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posted January 14, 2011 12:28 PM
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Did you set your cam timing ? Putting a 70 thou gasket will toss your Valve timing way off ..
I had not planned on getting adjustable cam gears. I just can't see .05" making a difference.
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I set them up realy fat .. 11.7. But guys like Johnny Turbo pushes it a bit more at 12.0. .. I like safety ...
I was planning on tuning for 11.5:1 under boost on e85. VERY safe 
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gilberjj
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posted January 14, 2011 12:29 PM
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ok cool
What a/f do you tune to under boost?
I set them up realy fat .. 11.7. But guys like Johnny Turbo pushes it a bit more at 12.0. .. I like safety ...
That wont work to well on e85
Why do you say that? e85 allows you to be quite generous on timing an a/f ratio. I'm not going to push it, and I'm planning on a nice and safe 11.5:1, but I'm curious why you think it won't work well on e85.
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posted January 14, 2011 12:46 PM
because you are tuning for a gasoline a/f ratio, you'll need to tune for a E85 a/f ratio.
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zx14, little longer, little louder, little lower.
08 Busa, just a little longer and louder and lower than the 14
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posted January 14, 2011 12:54 PM
unless you mean you going to tune for what 11:5.1 would be on gas engine and covert it and run that on e85
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08 Busa, just a little longer and louder and lower than the 14
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posted January 14, 2011 01:09 PM
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because you are tuning for a gasoline a/f ratio, you'll need to tune for a E85 a/f ratio.
9.0 to 10.0 is what you target on E85 what my research has come to concluded .. E 85 tuning is new to me also ..
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posted January 14, 2011 01:15 PM
i think its from the way the coolant flows and its a hot spot .. when a piston goes it will be that cylinder on that valve cup , if you look at the head gasket you will see that area is block off . and the thermostat sit right above that area in the head ..so its the last stop for the hot water since the cold come in on #1 cylinder and in the block
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posted January 14, 2011 01:21 PM
 Edited By: 1badzx12r on 14 Jan 2011 21:23
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Custom cometic head gasket
Head
see how on the gasket the holes are drilled on the intake ports and then they skip 1 and do the other port on the outside by the cam chain on #4 . I'm beginning to think the coolant flow is coming up from 1,2 and 3 and flowing into the thermostat and blocking off #4 cylinder ,
but i haven't found nobody yet smart enough to figure this theory out yet
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