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posted January 27, 2011 10:16 PM
 Edited By: Rook on 28 Jan 2011 06:16
MOLYBDENUM DISULFIDE ??--
ZX-14 Service Manual:
"Apply molybdenum disulfide oil solution to the threads of the output shaft and the seating surface of the engine
sprocket nut."
What is this stuff? Is there a common name for it? What does this stuff do? The kid at the auto supply was clueless.
  
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posted January 28, 2011 05:56 AM
check this link.........it's a long read with many a large term, but thorough explanations
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=63&Itemid=72
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posted January 28, 2011 06:38 AM
Isn't that basically grease thinned with oil? Not sure why you'd put that on there tho?
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posted January 28, 2011 06:59 AM
I use "Moly-coat" grease on most all my larger nuts / fasteners / axles that has virtually the same contents that's described above -- but not an oil consistency, it's basically a high temp graphite compounded grease.........think it's mainly to keep the nut from wanting to seize to the threaded shaft it's torqued onto more than anything, but only an assumption.
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posted January 28, 2011 07:25 AM
Kinda like the anit-seize I put on my wheel studz on my truck, and every once in a while I run into Mr. Mechanic who thinks he can scare me and say all my nutsz are gonna fly off my cages and I'll lose my wheels. lol OK, if you want to replace studz because they snap due to siezed nutz then go right ahead but not on my chit.
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posted January 28, 2011 08:10 AM
Edited By: Rook on 28 Jan 2011 16:13
Thanks, Hellmut. I think this passage holds the essence of the page:
"An analogy would be to picture moly particles as a deck of playing cards. If one puts downward pressure on them and then moves the hand to the right or left, the cards (moly platelets) will be spread out in a shingling effect of overlapping cards (platelets).
In addition, the particles of Molybdenum Disulfide are both relatively soft and non-abrasive. The shingling effect and the softness of the elements is specifically why MoS2 is ideal for lubrication uses."
Most of this stuff available online looks like it is made for use with firearms.
Here is a automotive. have to check around town for this stuff.
http://www.crcorp.com/TechSheets/CRC/P-MCO01.pdf
Edge Crusher, we used never-seize on every lugnut ever put on a truck at the family business cement contractor I grew up with. I don't recall ever hearing any fell off-----but they always came off when we wanted them off. That is great stuff, that never-seize. I used it where anti-locking agent is called for in the service manual. This time, they are calling for molybbdenum sulfide. I imagine they call it "solution" because it seems as though it is normally applied dispersed in a liquid.
Thanks for getting me on the trail guys. I'll have to find some of this stuff. I'm sure a high temp never-seize would work but I'm too much of a perfectionist to settle for that. lol
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posted January 28, 2011 08:43 AM
Edited By: Hellmutt on 28 Jan 2011 16:47
Guys, I don't believe I'd use actual anti-seize on the bike though -- the Moly-coat I use has graphite ( very soft ) in it and doesn't disrupt the tolerances between the threads of the output shaft and threads of the nut through the rigors of disassembly / reassembly over and over.........most anti-seize compounds use an aluminum ( or other semi-soft metals/alloys ) as a main ingredient -- so, with time and teardown after teardown; it would more than likely affect the thread tolerances eventually........Don't want to invite problems for anyone.........just my 2 cents fella's
I also use the Moly to coat the axles and other well-hidden rotating parts -- it has very high temperature resistance and does not fling, but if you get it on your hands or somewhere you want to keep clean - it's a real bear to clean off.........the graphite is VERY fine and gets everywhere without a care 
Think I spent just over $20 for a tub of it back in late 90's.........still working on the same tub so it's well worth the expense
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posted January 28, 2011 09:19 AM
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Guys, I don't believe I'd use actual anti-seize on the bike though --
Good info, Hellmut. Thanks.
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posted January 28, 2011 09:48 AM
Thanks bro, sometimes I probably appear "anal" about stuff but these bike haul ass - the better care we take of them, and the more thorough we are about that care........the odds are less likely to bite you in a mechanical failure scenario
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posted January 29, 2011 07:56 AM
I am a perfectionist when it comes to wrenching and with no background as a mech at all, I believe thatis what has saved me from breaking anything yet. Saved me a lot of money too (although tools sure wash the savings on some jobs.)
BTW, found a thick moly/graphite grease called Molly-Graph at Napa. $6 for ~10 oz. I have heard Honda makes a molly coat also and that can be found at bike dealerships.
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posted January 29, 2011 01:42 PM
Edited By: Rook on 29 Jan 2011 21:43
Here's the stuff. Should be able to pick it up at a dealership. Was about $11.00. Little lighter in color than the Napa and Honda specifies 60% molly.
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posted February 01, 2011 02:44 PM
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That chain isn't going to stretch a lot, just make sure you got room for adjustment.
are you running 16/42 or the 17/45 ? on what wb?
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posted February 01, 2011 07:54 PM
I am going from stock gearing to 17/45. Stock wheel base. I'll be setting the wheel back a bit farther in the slots and that's about all the extra wheel base I want.
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posted February 03, 2011 10:09 AM
Edited By: Rook on 3 Feb 2011 18:11
HELP NEEDED!
The OEM output sprocket takes a little fiddling to get the splines lined up with the shaft splines but it slides right on and off.
I bought a SuperSprok 17T. The splines on the OEM and the Supersprok look like they match up. The Supersprok will start to set into the splines on the shaft but then it stops. I don't want to force it. I have not installed yet. I suspect the seller sent me a 17 T Supersprok for some other bike--perhaps a ZX-10.
OR.......
Is it normal for a new aftermarket sprocket to require some "persuasion?". Prolly not but I thought I might as well ask.
This is a Supersprox 17T if anyone has tried that and could comment. ..or please comment on spline fit of other brand you have used.
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posted February 12, 2011 02:25 PM
^^No prob. Got a second Supersprox and it slides right on. All set to put new chain on but before I decide how long I want the chain to be, I have to plan ahead for possible future gearing changes.
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I will be leaving my chain extra long for the initial go at 17/45 gearing. I may switch back to 17/43 gearing and then I may want to move the wheel forward again. If I wish to move the wheel forward a bit I will have to break the chain and remove a link. Then I will need a new connecting link or at least one pin to reconnect the chain.
Is it possible to just buy 1 link or a pin for my EK ZZZ? If so, where would I purchase that item?
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posted February 12, 2011 02:38 PM
You have to buy one link and you can get them anywhere ek chains are sold.
Star racing
Schnitz
Orient express
Etc
It's just a master link
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posted February 12, 2011 04:53 PM
I am trying to figure out what gearing I should use. I weigh about 225 lbs. I am considering 17/45 or 17/46. I am sitting at about 67" with a 40 shot of spray. What do you guys think?
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posted February 12, 2011 05:56 PM
16/44 or 16/45
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posted February 13, 2011 10:18 AM
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16/44 or 16/45
Even with the spray?
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posted February 13, 2011 11:41 AM
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16/44 or 16/45
Even with the spray?
You won't run out of gear.
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posted February 13, 2011 01:38 PM
Thanks eklipse
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posted February 13, 2011 06:23 PM
No problem.
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posted February 19, 2011 05:25 PM
Can anybody tell me what RPM the motor is turning @ in 6th gear @ 70mph with 17/45?
I am sure there is some mathematical equation that can calculate where you will be revving given different sprocket sizes, is there?
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posted February 27, 2011 01:32 PM
Edited By: Rook on 27 Feb 2011 21:47
stock DID 50ZVZ 118 pins
EK ZZZ 118 pins
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posted February 27, 2011 04:22 PM
The new chain is full of grease while the used chain prob has less.
So they weight the same.
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