posted October 29, 2010 04:52 PM
Muzzy vs brock's dyno So right now I have a 2007 zx14 with a full m14 muzzy system and the butterflies removed. I had the bike dyno'd and it made the same horsepower as a 2008 zx14 with slip ons so I'm pretty disappointed. The system came with the bike but I'm thinking into getting a brock's alien head. Anybody have a dyno sheets that compares them? Wondering if the 1400 dollars is worth it (black ceramic coated)? By the way the bike has a custom map from HPC and the a/f looks good so it's not the map.
posted October 29, 2010 05:23 PM
Edited By: dakota9498 on 30 Oct 2010 01:32
Search Shane's build thread, he went through the M14, a couple of Brock's exhausts and so on and so forth.
posted October 29, 2010 05:51 PM
The bike was tuned on a hot day so I'm guessing when it gets warmer outside it richen up a bit.
It was about 50 out. So now I'm thinking about a new custom map. Should I wait until it gets warmer or do it now?
I just looked at my dyno run and it does look pretty lean. Do you think the weather affected it that much? Here is a link for the dyno run.
posted October 29, 2010 05:54 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 30 Oct 2010 01:55
It's very lean.
50 is cool, but not cold. It will fatten up a bit when it get hotter...but it won't be enough to put it in the ballpark, imo. The bike has an intake air temp sensor that compensates somewhat for changes in air temp.
You can map it now to 13:1 and it will run better even when it gets hot.
posted October 29, 2010 06:06 PM
Keep in mind that results vary from dyno to dyno. My bike with a full Brock's made 175 hp, and my girlfriends with slip-ons made 165, on the same dyno.
posted October 29, 2010 06:10 PM
I really wasn't upset about the numbers but the fact that another zx14 made same hp on the same dyno with just slip ons.
quote:I really wasn't upset about the numbers but the fact that another zx14 made same hp on the same dyno with just slip ons.
Some zx14s simply make more power then others.
Stick N Stones bike has always dynoed more then mine no matter what exhaust I had on it.....
Here's a dyno shoot where I had a Tsukigi full system and I dynoed .5 hp more then an 08 with an m14, but Sticks N Stones beat us both by 5 hp on an identically equipped zx14 with an m14 system. Go figure. His also whooped mine when I had my alien head.
Brocks vs Muzzys
If it were me, I'd get a better tune and just stick with the m14 if you're just chasing hp.
posted October 29, 2010 07:39 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 30 Oct 2010 03:42
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If it were me, I'd get a better tune and just stick with the m14 if you're just chasing hp.
what he said . but i;d buy an A/F reader like an LC1 ($190.00) or Wideband or Wego and custom tune it myself . everytime i've taken mine( 2 times) to a dyno to verify my LC1 they took hp away ..
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posted October 30, 2010 08:33 AM
Before I get it tuned I was thinking on throwing on a bmc filter but was also thinking about the velocity stacks. Anybody have experience with them? I did a search and there are mixed reviews about them.
posted October 30, 2010 09:32 AM
dealing with muzzy instead of brock's what do you expect
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posted October 30, 2010 02:16 PM
If you want a dyno queen chart, find a dyno guy who knows what he's doing and tell him you want an impressive dyno chart. He'll know what to do with the dyno settings to give you what you need. Even brock has dyno queen maps he supplies to give you max power on a chart, although he doesn't recommend running them on the street. You can throw away tons of money, and go through tons of exhausts and tuners chasing big charts, if thats what you're looking for, but it all won't make much difference on the street if you're a real rider. Why not just get you're muzzies tuned right by a good tuner and ride the thing?
posted October 30, 2010 04:06 PM
That's what I am doing as I stated above but now I'm asking about the velocity stacks and wondering what people's opinion were on them. Also as I stated above I'm not worried about the high numbers just why another bike had the same hp with just slip ons. Shane pointed out that my a/f ratio was way too lean and that is when I decided to retune my bike. "Ok well I'll get it tuned and let you guys know what my results were. " was my comment above. Also Gilberg said that some bikes just make more power which makes sense. So with all that said it seems like your comment is pretty redundant if you read the comments leading up to this one. No offense
posted October 31, 2010 05:07 AM
Edited By: LAB3 on 31 Oct 2010 13:09
I have Shanes used Muzzy M14, flies out, Muzzy advancer at +4 degrees and right now I have a Brocks Street Smart map that Olifieldtrash took his 14 with this map as a base had a dyno tune done for his brocks AH. I have both copys of both maps and not much difference. If you have a M14 it has a threaded port for the o2 sensor. A A/F meter is a cool tool for looking at A/F. Keep the Muzzy M14 with a good map it IS equal in performance with a Boocks SMEG or AH. And has better ground clearence. I have not needed to call Muzzy as my M14 does not leak. :-) Go spend almsot 2K for a Brocks CT duel his BEST...A ..waste of money for a street bike if you have a M14 now. Just not that much more gain for all that money. Brocks systems are great but not the only one's out there.
I sure like his street maps.Try a Street Smart map on your M14 and see what happens...it will run GREAT. I will get "Flamed" for telling you this. But in almost 3 years now I have tried 8 different maps. Muzzy's M14 flies out map was not much different then Brocks. Make sure you have the right map for your year model and mod's.
Save your money on the stacks ona stock engine if you just street ride.
posted November 01, 2010 03:40 AM
James, You didn't say if your bike and the 2008 with slip-ons were run on the same dyno, same day. I'm sure you know that if they were not you cannot directly compare the results.
The best way I have found to use a dyno is to get a before and after measurement and only change one thing at a time. The comparison between your bike and another is made at the track.
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quote:James, You didn't say if your bike and the 2008 with slip-ons were run on the same dyno, same day. I'm sure you know that if they were not you cannot directly compare the results.
The best way I have found to use a dyno is to get a before and after measurement and only change one thing at a time. The comparison between your bike and another is made at the track.
The bike was on the same dyno but don't really know how the weather was. I just recently bought a bmc race filter, muzzy ignition advancer, and NGK plugs. After putting on those parts and trying to get a better a/f ratio then we will see the difference. I should get the tune done within two weeks depending on when I get the parts
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