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You started this :-) A buddy of mine shot his ex wife 5 times with a 22 and she took it from him and beat the shit out of him with it............ he missed her ear. lol
posted July 26, 2010 09:09 AM
well knuckle heads i've killed hogs .. biggest was a 450lb boar working off a full moon with a scope ..2 hogs came out from the brush ..i chose the smaller 1 thinking it was aroiund 200lbs .. i shoud have know better by looking at the swollen necks .. but anyways the 450lb ran off that night with a 7mm mag round placed in the heart ..200 yards found it the next day under a cedar tree.. i can only image the bigger 1 as a hogzilla in the 700+ lbs .. i saw tracks several times later in the years ..but never seen the gaint in person again .. and yes we have a shitt load of hogs in this area ..
quote:At one time we also had a 6mo. old half charpei half german shepard puppy that decided he wanted to start attacking people so we had to put him down. After 4 head shots at about 5 yds range with a .45ACP and 230 gr. Hydroshock hollow points he was still trying to chew through the leash and attack us. This goes to show that you never really know what an animal is going to do.
You had to shoot a 6 month old puppy Shar Pei mix in the head 4 times with a .45 ACP "to put him down"??
I hope you know how insane that sounds. The fact that you shot a puppy 4 times in the head shows that "you never really know what an animal is going to do". Honestly, that is sick.
WTF...I mean, honestly, that is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard...I think this topic needs to go to The Smackhouse.
Shane
Wow...I can't believe that not a single person is commenting on this?
quote:shoot them directly in the ear. that's the sweet spot on a hog. you can shoot a 300 lb hog in the "kill zone" with a 7mm mag and it'll run. I've had a 70 lb spike run 100+ yds after making a perfect heart/lung shot with my .30/30 at 15 yds. At one time we also had a 6mo. old half charpei half german shepard puppy that decided he wanted to start attacking people so we had to put him down. After 4 head shots at about 5 yds range with a .45ACP and 230 gr. Hydroshock hollow points he was still trying to chew through the leash and attack us. This goes to show that you never really know what an animal is going to do.
That's true, shot a hen in the head after it had been attacked by something and was dying -- .22 revolver, and after I popped it in the skull it came running at me so I shot it another 3 or 4 times to finally kill it......but you can take a chickens head OFF and it'll still function for a bit, so that scenario may not count.
quote:You can always tell who doesn't know a lot about guns when they make comments about the ineffectiveness of a smaller caliber. A well placed shot from a small caliber with good velocity is more effective than a poorly placed shot with a large caliber that has shitty velocity like an old .50 caliber cap and ball musket with slow burning powder. They weren't exactly shooting a .50 bmg like I use at work. their rifles were pieces of shit back then.
Firstly, i wasn't meaning to dismiss the effectiveness of small caliber arms at all -- just stating what I'd experienced with these animals using .22 long, hell these weren't even hollow points, just standard field loads of the 80's -- good fuckin god it's a wonder half of these rimfires even went off back then........but all of this happened over 20 years ago when i was young buck.........Now been shooting and collecting for over 25 years but appears I'm not as rifle saavy as you apparently are sir; However, I am FAR from incompetent so there's no need to defend the honor of high power .22, .223, etc. here..........I understand the technological, and tactical, advances in them over the last 3 decades and todays small cal. ammo and hardware are a far shout from the old carbine i was firing........I also know that point of entry/exit, good velocity, and conditions are key factors in one shot kills.......basic common sense really........but I can say that I'll hit a paper plate with my 5 foot TC .50cal flintlock at 120yards using a ball with 140g load of reddot and it'll only drop 2 inches over that distance VS. the 4" drop from my Ithaca Model 37 at 100 yards using 3/4oz mag -- assuming it's due to the balls path not wavering as much in a tumble vs. the slug style round from the 12Ga bleeding off speed and accuracy when tumbling.
quote:Here's the ballistic info on a .22 magnum...
30 gr (1.9 g) HP 2,200 ft/s (670 m/s) 322 ft·lbf (437 J)
or a hellacious .22 caliber round... The .22-250, which will penetrate steel plate better than a .30-06.
55 gr (3.6 g) SP 3,786 ft/s (1,154 m/s) 1,751 ft·lbf (2,374 J)
There are a lot of variables that can make these small rounds not be the "ideal" round for certain types of animals... but they are just as deadly in the right hands as any other round is. The limiting factor on a small caliber weapon are wind, knock down power, wound channel size, and how well they react to hitting something in between them and their intended target. For example... you can shoot through a 3" sapling with a .45/70 and still flip the deer standing behind it... a .55 grain bullet just won't stay together (especially at those velocities.)
"There are a lot of variables that can make these small rounds not be the ideal" AND "just as deadly in the right hands" are the primary elements of this statement.........you don't know how far i was shooting, nor the conditions I was shooting in -- distance/velocity/conditions - 3 big things I've learned to consider before taking the shot; but alas, then I was but a young dumb teen with nothing but time and money for more ammo..........fuck, some of todays air rifles will smear a groundhog -- didn't have this kind of firepower in an air gun back when I was growing up........best we had were old pump action .22cal air rifles that would barely stick a pellet into a cheap 2X4.
We did have a couple .45-70 rifles when I was a kid, and they were some mean guns -- Remember they'd blow thru a backstop we built 4 ft high, and 2 railroad ties deep still trenching the hillside another 6 feet behind that. Good power!
quote:Now compare that to a .45 caliber muzzle loader with 150 grains of powder and a 180 grain bullet. This is a modern day muzzle loader with good powder and bullets.
Ball 180g Pyrodex pellets 150g 1553fps 959 ft/lbs
The only reason that I wouldn't want to use a small caliber for bigger game is that if you are not taking a brain shot it simply won't make a wound channel big enough to bleed the animal out since the bullet is designed for shallow penetration so that it can deliver the most shock for it's size.
That being said... My personal choice of guns is a .308. It's small enough to kill varmint with, and big enough to take out thick skinned game. It holds up well in the wind and the bullet isn't easily turned by debris. And best of all... It's easy on the shoulder.
and as for your groundhog and muskrat comment... you're fucking high if you think that they can survive a shot with a .17hmr or larger. Hell, i've got a buddy in Fallon nevada that routinely slays coyote at 150+ yds with his .17HMR.
.308 is a great do-all rifle size.......I had a Remington .30-06 bolt which gave me some good meat a couple seasons........and no sir, I'm not fucking high.......yet........but now that you mention it, I just may go smoke some now........
Seriously and honestly, I was only telling you what I'd experienced and what we did to cope with these little critters when they'd fuck up our fields with holes, or nest in our creek -- I probably got a few kills with the .22, but didn't see them die personally -- must have ran off and expired in hiding -- so when I stepped up to a 410 slug or my Winchester 30-30, they would quit pissing me off instantly.........made me happy........maybe you'd misinterpreted my youthful, niave impatience for stupidity - but rest assured, I've got brains sir and they work very well to my advantage.
But hey, no harm no foul........thanks for the insight, I appreciate guys that share their knowledge freely........it helps me save time on research ____________
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posted July 26, 2010 09:20 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Jul 2010 17:21
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quote:At one time we also had a 6mo. old half charpei half german shepard puppy that decided he wanted to start attacking people so we had to put him down. After 4 head shots at about 5 yds range with a .45ACP and 230 gr. Hydroshock hollow points he was still trying to chew through the leash and attack us. This goes to show that you never really know what an animal is going to do.
You had to shoot a 6 month old puppy Shar Pei mix in the head 4 times with a .45 ACP "to put him down"??
I hope you know how insane that sounds. The fact that you shot a puppy 4 times in the head shows that "you never really know what an animal is going to do". Honestly, that is sick.
WTF...I mean, honestly, that is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard...I think this topic needs to go to The Smackhouse.
Shane
Wow...I can't believe that not a single person is commenting on this?
You started this :-) A buddy of mine shot his ex wife 5 times with a 22 and she took it from him and beat the shit out of him with it............ he missed her ear. lol
Hilarious!! Almost sounds true too -- Never know, could've happened somewhere -- seen a guy get stabbed in Daytona long time ago, and he rolled over on the guy with the knife and took it away from him before smashing him in the face with about 10 punches as the cops showed up!! Life is like a box of chocolates
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quote:At one time we also had a 6mo. old half charpei half german shepard puppy that decided he wanted to start attacking people so we had to put him down. After 4 head shots at about 5 yds range with a .45ACP and 230 gr. Hydroshock hollow points he was still trying to chew through the leash and attack us. This goes to show that you never really know what an animal is going to do.
You had to shoot a 6 month old puppy Shar Pei mix in the head 4 times with a .45 ACP "to put him down"??
I hope you know how insane that sounds. The fact that you shot a puppy 4 times in the head shows that "you never really know what an animal is going to do". Honestly, that is sick.
WTF...I mean, honestly, that is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard...I think this topic needs to go to The Smackhouse.
Shane
Wow...I can't believe that not a single person is commenting on this?
YEAH, what's the deal with shooting a puppy 4 or 5 times anyway? Should've used a big shotgun slug round and got 'er done the first flippin' shot.........damn, talk about abuse -- that's some serious cruelty-to-animals sh*t.........
You'd better pray nobody from the Humane Society or other animals rights group reads this vulgar display and collects proof, or you're probably going away for a little while........hey, if you do go to jail can I have your bike? ____________
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posted July 26, 2010 12:00 PM
ive got a new Bowtech Commander for sale, its a 08 left over, never fired, 70# 31" draw, right hand. $350, $550 loaded, everything is unused
quote:At one time we also had a 6mo. old half charpei half german shepard puppy that decided he wanted to start attacking people so we had to put him down. After 4 head shots at about 5 yds range with a .45ACP and 230 gr. Hydroshock hollow points he was still trying to chew through the leash and attack us. This goes to show that you never really know what an animal is going to do.
You had to shoot a 6 month old puppy Shar Pei mix in the head 4 times with a .45 ACP "to put him down"??
I hope you know how insane that sounds. The fact that you shot a puppy 4 times in the head shows that "you never really know what an animal is going to do". Honestly, that is sick.
WTF...I mean, honestly, that is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard...I think this topic needs to go to The Smackhouse.
Shane
Wow...I can't believe that not a single person is commenting on this?
Shane, I think Chad ws jerking your chain............ I hope so. If my German Shepard
went crazy and on a leash. I would calll the City and have animal control take him away.
Shane, I think Chad ws jerking your chain............ I hope so. If my German Shepard
went crazy and on a leash. I would calll the City and have animal control take him away.
I couldn't do that........I have to take care of my own........it sucks having to put an animal down, but if they're broken or suffering - you gotta do what needs to be done.
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posted July 26, 2010 12:12 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Jul 2010 20:34
Well, yeah, I'm sure he will say that (that it was a joke or whatever)....
But sadly, I've known a lot of people who think just like that, for real, though. Sick.
I also know someone who went to put an animal down and had to shoot it multiple times because he was drunk (the shooter, not the animal). If you shot a dog clean once in the head with a hollow point round like that, there should not be much left. On the other hand, 4 grazing shots from an idiot, at a distance...well, you get the picture.
quote:ive got a new Bowtech Commander for sale, its a 08 left over, never fired, 70# 31" draw, right hand. $350, $550 loaded, everything is unused
wee
If I was still hunting, I may have taken you up on that wee
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posted July 27, 2010 05:07 AM
Can't see what "this" is........could you elaborate for those of us that cannot see video/pics -- sorry, I'm at work and our system is crap for fun stuff
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bow fishing . rednecks can't just enjoy the sight of fish jumping got to destroy it ..reason i say this they did that to the gar population in this area ..
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posted July 27, 2010 06:24 AM
Bow fishing is cool but it can be tough to judge exactly where the fish is as water bends images........tried it a few times when I was young and remember getting close to my own foot on a shot.......gotta watch shootin' yourself in the foot with a speared broadhead
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bow fishing . rednecks can't just enjoy the sight of fish jumping got to destroy it ..reason i say this they did that to the gar population in this area ..
Uhh yeah dumb ass. These fish are invasives called asian carp and are destroying our native waters. These fish jhump due to the vibrations created by outboard motors. They get very large in size and have even killed a few by hitting them while the boat is traveling at high speeds. I have fished tournaments in waters infested by these and it is not a good thing. Do some research before making such a rediculous statement you fat ass.
Uhh yeah dumb ass. These fish are invasives called asian carp and are destroying our native waters. These fish jhump due to the vibrations created by outboard motors. They get very large in size and have even killed a few by hitting them while the boat is traveling at high speeds. I have fished tournaments in waters infested by these and it is not a good thing. Do some research before making such a rediculous statement you fat ass.
the asian carp was purchaced by redneck's to catch catfish ..reason for this fish getting there .. oh and for the dumb-ass and fat -ass comment .. sorry your a cocksucking bitch
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posted July 27, 2010 10:42 AM
LOL you can't be serious. Once again you need to do a little research instead of eating everything you can get your hands on. Here is a tip, loose some weight, learn the word "GOOGLE" and stop being such a dumb ass.
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