01smokes
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posted July 11, 2010 12:55 PM
what will make more power
a carpenter head and cams with out a big bore, or a big bore and NO head and cams?
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Shane661
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posted July 11, 2010 01:04 PM
Depends on where you want the power.
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jlewis02
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posted July 11, 2010 01:36 PM
 Edited By: jlewis02 on 11 Jul 2010 21:42
Head and bigbore.
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smokinZX14
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posted July 11, 2010 01:39 PM
At your weight i would go with a 2 mill with 13.5.1 pistons .. Later you can do the head ..At my lower weight i would go with a head port and 20 thou milled of the head ..
The main point is you have to increase the compression to get power down low, mid and upper ... Just a ported head and cams will net you very little low and mid range power and more top end power .. If you do go with just the head and cams make damn sure you get 20 cut off the head ..
The zx14 head is very good stock and so are the cams so if you want big hp numbers you will have to look elsewhere like stroker ,bore and compression ..
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01smokes
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posted July 11, 2010 02:01 PM
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At your weight i would go with a 2 mill with 13.5.1 pistons .. Later you can do the head ..At my lower weight i would go with a head port and 20 thou milled of the head ..
The main point is you have to increase the compression to get power down low, mid and upper ... Just a ported head and cams will net you very little low and mid range power and more top end power .. If you do go with just the head and cams make damn sure you get 20 cut off the head ..
The zx14 head is very good stock and so are the cams so if you want big hp numbers you will have to look elsewhere like stroker ,bore and compression ..
Thanks Somkin, but this is for the booza i dont like going on to the booza forums because those people are idiots. if anything it would be a +3 with a 13.:5.1 for now or just a ported head, and some cams with some milling.
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posted July 11, 2010 02:03 PM
SH.org has a lot of good info in the "All Motor Talk" forum. Free your mind. 
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TurboBike
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posted July 11, 2010 06:20 PM
The same still applies for the Gen II. Go with the big bore and big compression. You'll pickup more than enough HP/TQ with that simple bolt on. I told the same to Cisco. You'll get greedy later but cams and headwork will move the power upward and not do much for the bottom which is not that big of deal as the 1441 with stock Gen II cams moves out.
For the money and easy install, Big Bore and compression bud. A few more bucks and can degree the stock cams for a tiny bit more.
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Big_T112
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posted July 11, 2010 07:17 PM
Go with the 1441 for the gen 2 it's an off the shelf kit. Head, cams and 1441 on mine was good for 219 RWHP. but you will need the two battery setup. You can get the wiring harness from Schnitz. Lee claims 230's to the rear wheel with his set up on the Gen 2.
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01smokes
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posted July 11, 2010 09:24 PM
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Go with the 1441 for the gen 2 it's an off the shelf kit. Head, cams and 1441 on mine was good for 219 RWHP. but you will need the two battery setup. You can get the wiring harness from Schnitz. Lee claims 230's to the rear wheel with his set up on the Gen 2.
what compression were you running?
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posted July 12, 2010 05:23 AM
VP mr12.....
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Master
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posted July 12, 2010 07:40 AM
Edited By: Master on 12 Jul 2010 15:43
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At your weight i would go with a 2 mill with 13.5.1 pistons .. Later you can do the head ..At my lower weight i would go with a head port and 20 thou milled of the head ..
The main point is you have to increase the compression to get power down low, mid and upper ... Just a ported head and cams will net you very little low and mid range power and more top end power .. If you do go with just the head and cams make damn sure you get 20 cut off the head ..
The zx14 head is very good stock and so are the cams so if you want big hp numbers you will have to look elsewhere like stroker ,bore and compression ..
Thanks Somkin, but this is for the booza i dont like going on to the booza forums because those people are idiots. if anything it would be a +3 with a 13.:5.1 for now or just a ported head, and some cams with some milling.
Here is a little advice from one of the smart guys from the busa boards never ask a 14 guy about busa mods. Next a good 3 mill package would give you the grunt heavier guys need and well as the hp they like. Once you get the big bore kit all you need to do then is find the right gearing and you be smiling all day long.
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01smokes
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posted July 12, 2010 08:27 AM
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At your weight i would go with a 2 mill with 13.5.1 pistons .. Later you can do the head ..At my lower weight i would go with a head port and 20 thou milled of the head ..
The main point is you have to increase the compression to get power down low, mid and upper ... Just a ported head and cams will net you very little low and mid range power and more top end power .. If you do go with just the head and cams make damn sure you get 20 cut off the head ..
The zx14 head is very good stock and so are the cams so if you want big hp numbers you will have to look elsewhere like stroker ,bore and compression ..
Thanks Somkin, but this is for the booza i dont like going on to the booza forums because those people are idiots. if anything it would be a +3 with a 13.:5.1 for now or just a ported head, and some cams with some milling.
Here is a little advice from one of the smart guys from the busa boards never ask a 14 guy about busa mods. Next a good 3 mill package would give you the grunt heavier guys need and well as the hp they like. Once you get the big bore kit all you need to do then is find the right gearing and you be smiling all day long.
Thanks, I just find the 14 guys more helpful than booza guys on set up and stuff like that, but I guess the +3 is the way to go and ill do the head and cams later on down the road. Also I'm 185lb now and can get down to 165-170 if needed so the booza should roll out with the 1441 and a 30-50 shot on it. I bet it will ET better than my turbo 14 but I doubt it will get near the MPH of the 14
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posted July 12, 2010 08:30 AM
Make sure you get a Gen1 cylinder. The Gen 2's have a rep for splitting on a +3.
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posted July 12, 2010 11:09 AM
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Make sure you get a Gen1 cylinder. The Gen 2's have a rep for splitting on a +3.
x2 and gen 1 rods. the gen 1 rods have a bigger wrist pin
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Big_T112
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posted July 12, 2010 12:47 PM
I bought an off the shelf piston kit. It was the 1397 for the gen 1. 13.5:1
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smokinZX14
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posted July 12, 2010 04:00 PM
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At your weight i would go with a 2 mill with 13.5.1 pistons .. Later you can do the head ..At my lower weight i would go with a head port and 20 thou milled of the head ..
The main point is you have to increase the compression to get power down low, mid and upper ... Just a ported head and cams will net you very little low and mid range power and more top end power .. If you do go with just the head and cams make damn sure you get 20 cut off the head ..
The zx14 head is very good stock and so are the cams so if you want big hp numbers you will have to look elsewhere like stroker ,bore and compression ..
Thanks Somkin, but this is for the booza i dont like going on to the booza forums because those people are idiots. if anything it would be a +3 with a 13.:5.1 for now or just a ported head, and some cams with some milling.
Here is a little advice from one of the smart guys from the busa boards never ask a 14 guy about busa mods. Next a good 3 mill package would give you the grunt heavier guys need and well as the hp they like. Once you get the big bore kit all you need to do then is find the right gearing and you be smiling all day long.
He did NOT say it was a BUSA .. If he had said busa i would have said nothing just like you did ...
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01smokes
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posted July 12, 2010 09:32 PM
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At your weight i would go with a 2 mill with 13.5.1 pistons .. Later you can do the head ..At my lower weight i would go with a head port and 20 thou milled of the head ..
The main point is you have to increase the compression to get power down low, mid and upper ... Just a ported head and cams will net you very little low and mid range power and more top end power .. If you do go with just the head and cams make damn sure you get 20 cut off the head ..
The zx14 head is very good stock and so are the cams so if you want big hp numbers you will have to look elsewhere like stroker ,bore and compression ..
Thanks Somkin, but this is for the booza i dont like going on to the booza forums because those people are idiots. if anything it would be a +3 with a 13.:5.1 for now or just a ported head, and some cams with some milling.
Here is a little advice from one of the smart guys from the busa boards never ask a 14 guy about busa mods. Next a good 3 mill package would give you the grunt heavier guys need and well as the hp they like. Once you get the big bore kit all you need to do then is find the right gearing and you be smiling all day long.
He did NOT say it was a BUSA .. If he had said busa i would have said nothing just like you did ...
See what im saying Smokin lol I swear 14 owners are just a better bread of people, when people get a booza its like they have a image they got to uphold or something
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posted July 13, 2010 12:42 PM
So any of you guys think head & cams or a piston kit is better than just pouring in VP mr 12 ???
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01smokes
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posted July 13, 2010 04:21 PM
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So any of you guys think head & cams or a piston kit is better than just pouring in VP mr 12 ???
What do you think about mr12 did it help your bike alot what did it do for it?
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posted July 13, 2010 05:06 PM
I know what MR9 did for my zx12...
All I hear is that mr12 is a couple HP better than mr9...So you guys have to try it for your selves to see what HP you get in the 1/8 or 1/4 mile!!!
Im no shop owner so what I think about the pour in HP that mr12 produces is better than a piston kit OR a head & cam job...
Probably not gonna make any friends with my opinion as to why I say mr12 is better than the above motor work 
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posted July 13, 2010 05:32 PM
CrotchRocket agree with the pouring in some good gas and going racing....
Something about a stock motor that comforts me.....
As a matter of fact I just called the local VP dealer in my area to get a price on MR12....
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posted July 14, 2010 06:09 AM
I like MR12, posted my best 60' and 1/8th mile times with it compared to MR9.
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posted July 14, 2010 06:14 AM
I built my Y2K Busa in 2 stages. First stage was 2mm o/s(1363cc) 12-1 Wiseco pistons, Yosh stage 1 cams, mild head work and milled the head. It made 188 H.P. I went conservative on the cam timing so the power peaked at bout 10,500 rpm, but it was a torquey beast.
The second motor used the same pistons, but i went with the .378/.331 Web cams with a bit more head work. That motor made 196 H.P., again with conservative cam timing as i likey my torkey!!
That skoot ran 197 mph gps at our 9/10's runs in 2001 in the chassis set up for cornering, another words ride height was higher than stock and with the torque that motor made i could not go full throttle till third gear, more could be had and i wanted to hit the 2 ton mark but i just did not want to fool around with lowering the chassis and moving the cam timing around to make it a better straight-liner.
I put 65,000 on those Wiseco's and have now retired them so i can go bigger and build a more radical motor. Lotsa potential in the Busa motor and they are fun to ride with the increase in power.
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