eklipse636
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posted July 08, 2010 01:58 PM
Radiator fluid
Ok, as I ride my bike home from work today, it's running hot. I am cruising at about 80mph for 30-40 min, so I'm blaming this on the gearing 16/48. I was going to stop by the auto parts store and get some water wetter, but wouldn't putting straight water and water wetter allow the radiator to rust? This is what I was told by a old mechanic. If this is true, I don't know. Anyone know the truth to this?
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posted July 08, 2010 02:08 PM
distilled water
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posted July 08, 2010 02:09 PM
is this the first time you rode on the street with the new map?
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posted July 08, 2010 02:31 PM
I think I can help, ive done my research on this. Water wetter is a metal protector, so dont worry about any rusting if you mix it correctly, but its not an antifreeze nor does it offer any boilover protection. Use clean tap or distilled water. Do not use deionized water, under the right conditions the minneral starved water can attack soft metals like aluminum . Dont expect to see cooler temps on your temp gauge, this stuff does work but most people think it will lower the over all cooling system temp, it does not as that is controled by the thermostat. It improves heat transfer from metal to coolant. I would run it with some antifreeze if you want some freeze and boilover protection. Ive used it for years on all my cars, trucks, bikes, atv's. The stuff works great and will even allow for more timing on some motors by keeping the cylnder head temps down. Hope this helps!
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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eklipse636
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posted July 08, 2010 02:36 PM
Thanks for the breakdown! Wee I've rode it half a dozen times 10-15 min to town, but not interstate riding. I I'm not mistaking, at approx 70 mph I was doin a little over 5,000rpms, maybe 5,200.
I was worried about the water makigthings rust, and that would be no good.
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Dark14
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posted July 08, 2010 03:08 PM
 Edited By: Dark14 on 8 Jul 2010 23:12
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I think I can help, ive done my research on this. Water wetter is a metal protector, so dont worry about any rusting if you mix it correctly, but its not an antifreeze nor does it offer any boilover protection. Use clean tap or distilled water. Do not use deionized water, under the right conditions the minneral starved water can attack soft metals like aluminum . Dont expect to see cooler temps on your temp gauge, this stuff does work but most people think it will lower the over all cooling system temp, it does not as that is controled by the thermostat. It improves heat transfer from metal to coolant. I would run it with some antifreeze if you want some freeze and boilover protection. Ive used it for years on all my cars, trucks, bikes, atv's. The stuff works great and will even allow for more timing on some motors by keeping the cylnder head temps down. Hope this helps!
sooooo.....?
1 bottle engine ice (premixed)
1 bottle water wetter
1 gallon distilled water
sound about right for most garage kept bikes in moderate climate? (Maryland for me)
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posted July 08, 2010 03:22 PM
quote:
Thanks for the breakdown! Wee I've rode it half a dozen times 10-15 min to town, but not interstate riding. I I'm not mistaking, at approx 70 mph I was doin a little over 5,000rpms, maybe 5,200.
I was worried about the water makigthings rust, and that would be no good.
I was wondering if your map was lean?
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LAB3
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posted July 08, 2010 03:27 PM
Engine Ice is a different product. Get a second bottle of Engine Ice. Read the directions on the side of the bottle. Water Wetter was made to mix.
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posted July 08, 2010 03:58 PM
Royal purple make some to. I feel its the best. Ive used all other brands in my ltz490, being its a stroker and bored out it puts the stock cooling system to the test, with the royal purple mixed with water it never gets to hot, even after doing donuts untill i get sick where other brands started to boil over.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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Dark14
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posted July 08, 2010 04:00 PM
Edited By: Dark14 on 9 Jul 2010 00:06
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Engine Ice is a different product. Get a second bottle of Engine Ice. Read the directions on the side of the bottle. Water Wetter was made to mix.
engine ice is just a fancy anti freeze right?
he was saying to add SOME anti freeze for boilover and freeze protection
so i was just wondering if 1 bottle of premixed engine ice would be enough boilover protection. (265 boilover at 50/50 seems like overkill) then just fill the rest of the bike up with distilled water and the proper amount of water wetter for our bikes cooling system. (i dont know the recomended water wetter ratio)
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LAB3
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posted July 08, 2010 04:30 PM
The directions on the bottle of Engine Ice states to NOT mix with water..........or anything.
Yes I guess Engine Ice is fancy anti freeze( good to -26 degrees below) but it has a higher boiling point than anti-freeze.
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zx14fan
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posted July 08, 2010 09:25 PM
Dont waste or money on the ice.3000psi is correct the thermostat controls the temp.Water wetter is another I have tried.I think if you pee in your rad it might well work better.
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eklipse636
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posted July 09, 2010 03:24 AM
Well, I have got to waste my money on something. It's running way to hot to just be driving down the road.
Wee, I thought about something. Whenever he mapped it, that was with air filter out. I run it in the street with air filter in. So that should richen it up a little.
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posted July 09, 2010 03:28 AM
with the water additives the motor will still run the temp of the thermostat, but it will get hot slower and cool down quicker with the additives
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posted July 10, 2010 02:05 PM
i had to dump water wetter and distilled crap in my bike to meet the road atlanta track requirements.
it is NOT an anti-freeze, but you'll run cooler than straight water.
Strqaight up radiator fluid beats engine ice and watter wetter, unless you ask a gixxer squid. google the cooling specs of each and you'll see.
Rad fluid not allowed on road racing tracks.
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posted July 10, 2010 03:17 PM
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Strqaight up radiator fluid beats engine ice
Have you actually used Engine Ice in a ZX-14? If so did you follow the directions they are specific about
how to flush the system and not to mix with anything as it will reduce the cooling properties.
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eklipse636
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posted July 10, 2010 04:17 PM
Anyone seen engine ice at walmart?
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posted July 10, 2010 04:21 PM
"Strqaight up radiator fluid beats engine ice and watter wetter, unless you ask a gixxer squid. google the cooling specs of each and you'll see"
Huhh?
*From there website*
ABOUT RED LINE WATER WETTER® COOLANT ADDITIVES
Reduces or eliminates bubbles or vapor barrier that form on hot metal surfaces to reduce coolant temperatures by up to 20°
Superior heat transfer properties compared to glycol-based antifreeze
Compatible with new or used antifreeze (including DEX-COOL and long-life versions) to improve the heat transfer of ethylene and propylene glycol systems
Improves heat transfer and reduces cylinder head temperature
Designed for use with all modern aluminum, cast iron, copper, brass and bronze cooling systems
Cleans and lubricates water pump seals
Reduces cavitation and complexes with hard water to reduce scaling
Does not lower cooling system below the thermostatically-controlled temperature
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted July 10, 2010 04:29 PM
Edited By: 3000psi and falling on 11 Jul 2010 00:31
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Anyone seen engine ice at walmart?
I have not, I think I found it at O'Reilly Auto Parts in the past. If there is a NAPA rear you I sugest you get the Royal Purple stuff. I have put it to the test and it works great, and it is a bit more expensive, @ about 15 clams. But any brand will be an inprovment in heat transfer when used right, again might not see lower coolant temps, but it will increase the cooling system efficiency.
NOTE: The Red Line Water Wetter stained my overflow bottle pink on my ATV.
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted July 10, 2010 04:44 PM
quote:
Anyone seen engine ice at walmart?
I have not seen it around here.... You will need two 1/2 gal. containers for the 14.
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eklipse636
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posted July 10, 2010 07:02 PM
Thanks lab. What do I flush it out with? I am going tomorrow to get some.
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posted July 10, 2010 07:36 PM
Start with tap water then final rinse with distilled water.
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eklipse636
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posted July 10, 2010 07:41 PM
If i get anything done tomorrow that's going to be it.
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posted July 11, 2010 11:24 AM
i just changed over to engine ice, didnt fully "flush" it either. noticed a BIG difference cruising. It does run alot cooler once your moving, in some cooler wind i will see just 2 bars. Before the engine ice i would see 3 even in cool wind...just my 2cents
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eklipse636
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posted July 11, 2010 12:23 PM
I just got a bottle of water wetter, napa wasn't open and no one had anything but water wetter.. I am going to put it in this afternoon and go from there. Thanks for all the input
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