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posted July 11, 2010 12:49 PM
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I just got a bottle of water wetter, napa wasn't open and no one had anything but water wetter.. I am going to put it in this afternoon and go from there. Thanks for all the input
Get a gallon of distilled water. I am 16/43 and 70 is about 4100 RPM. What RPM are you at 70???
Hope this helps Dusty, post up after you take a ride with the water wetter.
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eklipse636
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posted July 11, 2010 02:49 PM
Louis, at 70 I'm at 5,000-5,100. It was kinda a impulse buy, but we will see. Will it hurt to pourthe whole bottle of water wetter in with distilled water?
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posted July 11, 2010 04:43 PM
Water wetter is an emulsifier (breaks surface tension) with corrosion inhibitors.
Engine ice (based on what I read) is propylene glycol which cools a "little' better than ethylene glycol and it not as harmful to the pets!.
Water wetter is a far better solution for better cooling when mixed with distilled water.
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posted July 11, 2010 05:19 PM
So do you follow directions on how much to use, or do you pour the while bottle in it?
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posted July 11, 2010 05:33 PM
It would best best to follow the directions, premixing it would be best also...
I'm sure that a little extra would not hurt, however I think I read that it would not help either.
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posted July 11, 2010 05:53 PM
Thanks Gabriel. Btw, welcome!
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posted July 11, 2010 05:54 PM
Dusty I never used water wetter in my 14. I just poured the whole bottle in the Vette and added distilled water one summer when I had the engine rebuilt . And flushed it all out when it turned cold and did a 50/50 mix of Dex-Cool (GM) anti-freeze. I have no idea which product is better for the 14. But the Engine Ice has my 14 running a little cooler here in the Texas heat. Make sure you bleed the air out. Let us know how it does tomorrow. I tried the Engine Ice because it is anti-freeze too.
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posted July 11, 2010 06:14 PM
I didn't have time to do it tonight, neighbor came over and we talked. Just curious, you know about how much liquid it takes to fill it up?
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posted July 11, 2010 06:35 PM
Almost a gallon if you have the system empty. I had a little Engine Ice left in the second 1/2 gallon container.
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posted July 11, 2010 07:09 PM
K. I'm going to do it before I ride again, and going to TNT sat so I'm hoping to see a little difference.
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posted July 11, 2010 07:43 PM
Good luck...8s are heading your way :-) I have not installed my extensions yet as my 14 is still in warranty and I have Drag Raced every bike I have ever had. And I hate to ream the crap out of yet. Did you see all the clutch matrial in Shanes oil pan? When I do lower and go the track I will change the oil and filter every few weeks. It may be over kill but but a new engine is not in my budget. damn Corvette is 14 years old and just cost me some $$ for new engine and trans. My Visa is maxed out... lol .......... so is the wife. :-)
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posted July 11, 2010 11:08 PM
636 water wetter isnt going to fix your problem.read the label and it should tell you how much to use.Is your fan working?
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posted July 12, 2010 02:41 AM
Yes t works. I completely understand the thermostt controls the normal operating temp, but turning so high rpm's it's above the thermostat. Also, when we go to the track and it's this hot anything will help cool it off.
Zx14fan what will work?
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posted July 12, 2010 03:13 AM
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636 water wetter isnt going to fix your problem.read the label and it should tell you how much to use.Is your fan working?
I understand how much the label says to use, but I asked if putting extra would help. I'm no chemical expert.
Is this kinda like pulling the flies dosent help a 08-10??
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posted July 12, 2010 04:44 AM
Reading this post makes me wonder if a lower temp t-stat could be installed on the 14. I wonder what the ecu would think if the bike stayed 10 to 20 degrees cooler? Thoughts on this guys?
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posted July 12, 2010 05:32 AM
we had some near 100 deg temps this last few days and my bike stays right around 4 bars. I wouldn't put a lower stat on it. Im not sure kawi offers a different stat even. Older posts read that the temp sender was defective once or twice. Unless someone installs a analog temp gauge or has a boil-over condition, i wouldn't be too concerned with it. (perceived hot condition) This bike needs heat for optimum performance in my opinion and shouldn't operate too cool. Our "idiot light" temp gauge might not be too accurate for an "oh shit" reaction. I run a second fan and don't worry as much as I did the first year. i also read where bikes in different regions (south) might have a cooler stat. just my thoughts..
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posted July 12, 2010 10:10 AM
A second fan has been a thought, I might just put a manual switch like Chad did.
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posted July 12, 2010 03:26 PM
The engine and radiator is Aluminum, it doesn't really rust, i run water wetter and distilled water for quite sometime on 2 other bikes, i have no rust or any scaling. The water wetter is already a lubricant and corrosion inhibitor so no worries. Just change it out every 1-2 years to prevent electrolysis.
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posted July 12, 2010 03:35 PM
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It would best best to follow the directions, premixing it would be best also...
I'm sure that a little extra would not hurt, however I think I read that it would not help either.
I poured the whole bottle in mine, and rest with distilled Sparklets water. Kept my ZX from reading 4 bars in the summer heat. Now i rarely see more then half way even with warm days.
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posted July 12, 2010 03:40 PM
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Reading this post makes me wonder if a lower temp t-stat could be installed on the 14. I wonder what the ecu would think if the bike stayed 10 to 20 degrees cooler? Thoughts on this guys?
From my understanding the ZX14 doesn't really abnormally hot, it appears so on the gauge cluster but from what i understand, people who have probed the coolant don't see anything unusually high as the water doesn't reach beyond 220deg on a warm day. I think running colder Tstat might create carbon build up in the engine and lose a little bit of power as it does need the heat to run properly.
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posted July 12, 2010 05:45 PM
The manual says "Valve Full Opening Lift 8 mm (0.31 in.) or more @75°C (167°F)." That seems pretty cool to me. I dont think u would want to run a lower thermostat than that. (unless i am missreading the manual)
It also says "When the coolant temperature goes up beyond 95°C (203°F), the radiator fan relay conducts to operate the radiator fan. The radiator fan draws air through the radiator core when there is not sufficient air flow such as at low speeds. This increases up the cooling action of the radiator. When the coolant temperature is below 90°C (194°F), the fan relay opens and the radiator fan stops. In this way, this system controls the engine temperature within narrow limits where the engine operates most efficiently even if the engine load varies."
I read on an RX7 forum somebody posted that the boiling point of pure water with a 13 psi radiator cap is 243 F. If that is correct and your not worried about freezing your block maybe you should just run water wetter and pure water.
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posted July 12, 2010 06:03 PM
I was reading on the Engine Ice container that it is good for 256 degrees F boil over protection. And
freeze up protection to -26 degrees F. I'm no expert either just saying my 14 runs a little cooler now.
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posted July 13, 2010 02:39 AM
I put most of the bottle of water wetter in it yesterday, so it should be good to go. It rained a lot yesterday, which means my driveway is too muddy to even think about getting a bike down it. Hopefully I can get it out tomorrow and take it for a ride.
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posted July 13, 2010 08:30 AM
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I read on an RX7 forum somebody posted that the boiling point of pure water with a 13 psi radiator cap is 243 F. If that is correct and your not worried about freezing your block maybe you should just run water wetter and pure water.
That's why I'm running a slightly higher rated apex-I 1.3bar cap which is 18.85psi
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posted July 16, 2010 07:02 AM
i have been using engine ice for a couple years. the product is complete no additives are recommended just pour it in. the motor prolly gets just as warm but cools off faster when you speed up. better heat transfer than the stock juice. i ride street in fla and never a problem even in traffic. i have stock gearing and no extra fan. it gets one bar from the top in stop and go. yes the motor puts off some heat in traffic.
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