SixSixoh6
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posted May 14, 2010 03:35 AM
? For you N20 Guys
Hey fellas, quick q on the giggle gas. Right now i have the setup of two nozzles in the ram-air tubes before the filter. I havent even ran it yet, however i wanted to go to a spray bar setup to begin with (didnt have the $$ at first)
My question to you is with the spray bar setup could i get away with a 50hp jet, -2.5 degrees timing and a brocks map? Ive heard stories of the n20 blowing passed the rings on kawis and zooks with this setup.
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posted May 14, 2010 04:00 AM
no you can't ..better find more fuel than a brocks map. cause brock don't do N2O maps
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posted May 14, 2010 04:01 AM
Nitrous hurts parts because of greed. A.I would be very lwary of spraying through an air filter period.B.you have the right track with your tune,but start small,take baby steps,and listen to what the plugs are showing you. Don't let greed alow the nitrous demon to make you his victim.
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SixSixoh6
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posted May 14, 2010 04:34 AM
Well put. Why leary of through the filter though?? Right now there is a 30hp jet in the current setup. Maybe that's a better starting point??
Know of anyone spraying a small shot with advanced timing??
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posted May 14, 2010 04:48 AM
If your spraying Iam assuming your at the track, yank the filter. (just at the track). or go to a spray bar. then spend the money and have somebody that know what hes doing on a dyno make you a nitrous map. then you can spray when ever and not hurt parts.
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68gts2
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posted May 14, 2010 04:49 AM
Nitrous speeds up the burn rate and needs timing taken out to compensate for the accelerated burn rate. The air filter will destroy the spray pattern of the nozzles and not allow even nitrous distribution between cylinders,which isn't good.
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SixSixoh6
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posted May 14, 2010 05:17 AM
And that's mainly why I was going to go with a spray bar setup. To know that each cylinder gets the same exact amount. I do need dyno time for sure.
Its just on the button too, no controller or anything.
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posted May 14, 2010 06:02 AM
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Well put. Why leary of through the filter though?? Right now there is a 30hp jet in the current setup. Maybe that's a better starting point??
Know of anyone spraying a small shot with advanced timing??
Whatever you do" Do not spray with any advanced timing " it will go boom !
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68gts2
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posted May 14, 2010 06:06 AM
I would think Ricky Gadson or Stnitz would be able to provide a good spray map with the spraybar set-up.
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kawasakijockey
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posted May 14, 2010 06:14 AM
Dont spray that 50 shot on pump gas either. My buddy has two pistons with stuck rings on a 44hp shot spraybar using pump gas. It may have detonated and crushed the ring lands but we arent sure.
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SixSixoh6
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posted May 14, 2010 07:13 AM
Oh shit, ill be sure to put timing back before I do. So there's one instance of it "blowing passed" right?
If I do the spraybar I don't be using the 50 shot then!
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kawasakijockey
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posted May 14, 2010 07:46 AM
Are you planning on using pump only?
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posted May 14, 2010 07:57 AM
Kawasakijocky did he pull any timing out when it hurt the holes? 87 pump or 93?
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kawasakijockey
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posted May 14, 2010 08:02 AM
No, stock timing which was "supposed" to be ok with 93. No controller either. I wont chance over a 28 jet on my bike with pump gas and stock timing. That's just me though.
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posted May 14, 2010 08:07 AM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 14 May 2010 16:15
30 shot and 93 pump gas , set the p/c up 12% on the top 3rd of the face plate buttons ..Stock timming ..Leave the air filter in place , the filter helps mix the incoming NO2 and air ..Put a full throttle switch on the throttle bodys , set it to come on at 100% throttle ...
This is a proven system that i have used as well as many other here on bikeland ..NOT one has had a engine problem with this set up ... i ran 8.50s @ 163 on 93 pump gas with it ..
You will not need a controller with this system .. having the spray on the ram air tubes softens the hit as does having the fitler in place .. spray bars hit to hard and will need a controller of some type ...i was able to hit tthe spray in the top of first gear at 62 inches ,after some seat time you will be able to hit it sooner ...Tommy was hitting it right out of the hole at 65 inches...The longer the bike the faster you can get it on..
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posted May 14, 2010 08:07 AM
Edited By: 06redzx14 on 14 May 2010 16:08
Kawasakijockey and I run at the same track alot and I sprayed a 40 shot on 93, a 50 shot on 104, and just got some bigger jets in that I'll be running on Q16 with some timing out. all with a spraybar
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kawasakijockey
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posted May 14, 2010 08:17 AM
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30 shot and 93 pump gas , set the p/c up 12% on the top 3rd of the face plate buttons ..Stock timming ..Leave the air filter in place , the filter helps mix the incoming NO2 and air ..Put a full throttle switch on the throttle bodys , set it to come on at 100% throttle ...
This is a proven system that i have used as well as many other here on bikeland ..NOT one has had a engine problem with this set up ... i ran 8.50s @ 163 on 93 pump gas with it ..
That is what I have now. The 12% is added to the track map. With the Muzzy fogger I have seen a couple dyno charts where it only makes 24hp on the 30hp (#28) jet. That is as big as it gets for me.
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posted May 14, 2010 08:20 AM
SixSixoh6
remember the first few times you use no2 you will go slower than on motor only .. It takes some time to get used to it ... once you do you will fly .. you don't need a 50 or 60 shot to go fast .. What you do need is to learn to use what you have first ..If your tryin to use spray to make up for a lack of riding skills you will never go fast no matter what you do ..
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posted May 14, 2010 08:22 AM
quote:
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30 shot and 93 pump gas , set the p/c up 12% on the top 3rd of the face plate buttons ..Stock timming ..Leave the air filter in place , the filter helps mix the incoming NO2 and air ..Put a full throttle switch on the throttle bodys , set it to come on at 100% throttle ...
This is a proven system that i have used as well as many other here on bikeland ..NOT one has had a engine problem with this set up ... i ran 8.50s @ 163 on 93 pump gas with it ..
That is what I have now. The 12% is added to the track map. With the Muzzy fogger I have seen a couple dyno charts where it only makes 24hp on the 30hp (#28) jet. That is as big as it gets for me.
24 hp is right ... Mine only made 21 hp plumbed in the ram air tubes with a 28# jet ... Nice , safe and fast ...
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SixSixoh6
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posted May 14, 2010 08:53 AM
Smokin you always have words of wisdom my friend. As far as this WOT switch, do those have a gear lockout? Meaning you can set it up to NOT spray in 1st and then all the others?
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SixSixoh6
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posted May 14, 2010 08:56 AM
And yes I will be running pump gas mostly. 87 off the juice and 93 when I know for sure when I'm going to spray.
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kawasakijockey
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posted May 14, 2010 08:58 AM
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Smokin you always have words of wisdom my friend. As far as this WOT switch, do those have a gear lockout? Meaning you can set it up to NOT spray in 1st and then all the others?
If you have the Hub switch you can use the outputs as a wot switch.
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posted May 14, 2010 09:14 AM
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Smokin you always have words of wisdom my friend. As far as this WOT switch, do those have a gear lockout? Meaning you can set it up to NOT spray in 1st and then all the others?
NO lock out . I guess you could set one up by using your gear selector switch.. But really you don't need it .... what i did on tommys bike and jesses bike was add a full throttle light ( like a shift light ) that would come on when you hit 100% throttle ..I use the same switch that turns on the spray .. so this light does two things , one it tells you when you are at full throttle as well as when your spray is on ...
Here is what you do ... N20 off make a pass and see when your full throttle light comes on ... My bet is you will not see the light till late in first gear if at all . What is that telling you ? Make another pass and make the light come on ....
Learn to leave the line keeping the light off or a about 90% to 95% throttle .. when you are ready to spray give the throttle that last 5% or 10% twist ... once you do it a few times it becomes very easy to do .. It really helped Jesse and Tommy to go faster just using the full throttle light ... You see neither on of them was not getting the throttle in first gear ...But after installing the light they could see what they were doing wrong and use all of the throttle in first gear...
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SixSixoh6
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posted May 14, 2010 09:37 AM
WOW, simple, yet very very effective. I would have never thought of doing something like that. Its GENIUS! That would really help me as well, because i do get WOT farely late when running so far. Just no seat time. Ill assume then the tps is a 12v circuit rather than a traditional 5v.
Sounds like i got some more re-wiring to do. Right now the n20 is ran through the starter button, guess i could still use that came circuit to give the solenoid power and the tps as the switch.
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SixSixoh6
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posted May 14, 2010 09:38 AM
dumb question, any "special" type of WOT switch needed, i mean a place to purchase? It's just a little rocker switch, so i have never had to look for one
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