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posted April 27, 2010 11:51 AM
Mobile 1 gold top vs silver top?
I've noticed the gold top is a little more expensive, whats the difference in the two?
  
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LeonidasZX14
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posted April 27, 2010 12:09 PM
Extended performane has the gold top and is good for longer oil change intervals. No offense but it's right on the front of the bottle.
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posted April 27, 2010 01:58 PM
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I've noticed the gold top is a little more expensive, whats the difference in the two?
Extended Performance formula is a group IV PAO based oil (good stuff) the regular Mobil1 ones are Group III hydro-cracked oil, (cheaper stuff). Neither is really a spectacular oil, just buy what you can afford to use. I opted for Shell Rotella T6 Synthetic 5W40. $19 a gallon its hard to beat.
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posted April 27, 2010 02:43 PM
I have tried several different brands. For the cost I change oil and filter every 2500 miles.
If it's brown...I change it. Mike has 26,000 miles on his 2006 14. He changes every 3000 with
Mobil 1 10W40. I am trying the Amsoil 10W40 motorcycle oil this time. No difference from the Mobil 1 4T Motorcycle 10W40. If you change it like we do, I don't think any of the good Full
Synthetics make a big difference. Shell is good oil too, Lot of 14 owners use it as we have had Several oil topics here. You guys can run the oil longer with no damage to engine. I am just really picky with this new 14. I keep a bike 10 years or so. Have a 1986 FJ1200 with 52,000 miles on it no problems and ran regular oil back then. I changed it every 2500
miles. Still runs Great 20 years later.
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posted April 27, 2010 03:42 PM
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I've noticed the gold top is a little more expensive, whats the difference in the two?
Extended Performance formula is a group IV PAO based oil (good stuff) the regular Mobil1 ones are Group III hydro-cracked oil, (cheaper stuff). Neither is really a spectacular oil, just buy what you can afford to use. I opted for Shell Rotella T6 Synthetic 5W40. $19 a gallon its hard to beat.
Are you sure about this? I know castrol syntec does that shit but I'm suprised mobile 1 does this
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posted April 27, 2010 04:26 PM
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I've noticed the gold top is a little more expensive, whats the difference in the two?
Extended Performance formula is a group IV PAO based oil (good stuff) the regular Mobil1 ones are Group III hydro-cracked oil, (cheaper stuff). Neither is really a spectacular oil, just buy what you can afford to use. I opted for Shell Rotella T6 Synthetic 5W40. $19 a gallon its hard to beat.
Are you sure about this? I know castrol syntec does that shit but I'm suprised mobile 1 does this
Positive, the cheap Mobil 1 found at WalMart and some auto parts stores is not the group IV PAO stuff, its the Group III cheap stuff. The good PAO based Mobil 1 is hard to find these days and they run $7.99 a qt these days when you do find them. The Group III Mobil 1 is not designed to be a extended drain oil so the base oil isnt made of PAO base stock which is a bit more expensive to make. Its not that Group III oil is bad, some of the really highly refined ones are almost as good as a true synthetic. Its only in America where you can classify a Group III Hydrocracked dino oil as a "Full Synthetic". The Rotella T6 5W40 is also a Group III but its supposed to be very good stuff.
Lets face it most of today's oils are radically engineered Frankenstein oil anyways and whats really important is the intervals in which they are changed.
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posted April 27, 2010 05:17 PM
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I've noticed the gold top is a little more expensive, whats the difference in the two?
Extended Performance formula is a group IV PAO based oil (good stuff) the regular Mobil1 ones are Group III hydro-cracked oil, (cheaper stuff). Neither is really a spectacular oil, just buy what you can afford to use. I opted for Shell Rotella T6 Synthetic 5W40. $19 a gallon its hard to beat.
Are you sure about this? I know castrol syntec does that shit but I'm suprised mobile 1 does this
Positive, the cheap Mobil 1 found at WalMart and some auto parts stores is not the group IV PAO stuff, its the Group III cheap stuff. The good PAO based Mobil 1 is hard to find these days and they run $7.99 a qt these days when you do find them. The Group III Mobil 1 is not designed to be a extended drain oil so the base oil isnt made of PAO base stock which is a bit more expensive to make. Its not that Group III oil is bad, some of the really highly refined ones are almost as good as a true synthetic. Its only in America where you can classify a Group III Hydrocracked dino oil as a "Full Synthetic". The Rotella T6 5W40 is also a Group III but its supposed to be very good stuff.
Lets face it most of today's oils are radically engineered Frankenstein oil anyways and whats really important is the intervals in which they are changed.
So is the gold top the good stuff...it's a little more expensive and specifies 15,000 mile extended changes.
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posted April 27, 2010 05:19 PM
No way I would let my 14 go that many miles with out changing oil and filter. your bike.
I plan on my 14 running at 50,000 miles.
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posted April 27, 2010 06:46 PM
Didn't Mobil take Castrol to court years ago on the premise that Syntec was not "true" synthetic oil,it was hydrocracked dino oil? I thought Mobil 1 was all true synthetic. I thought that Mobil prevailed in the litigation because Castrol had changed their Syntec product line.
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posted April 27, 2010 08:00 PM
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Didn't Mobil take Castrol to court years ago on the premise that Syntec was not "true" synthetic oil,it was hydrocracked dino oil? I thought Mobil 1 was all true synthetic. I thought that Mobil prevailed in the litigation because Castrol had changed their Syntec product line.
Nope, they didn't win that lawsuit. If you can't beat em, join em.
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posted April 27, 2010 08:23 PM
I am tiered of paying for expensive oil. Heard some good things about Shell Rotella T6 Synthetic . Cant beat the price think I will try.
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posted April 27, 2010 08:40 PM
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I am tiered of paying for expensive oil. Heard some good things about Shell Rotella T6 Synthetic . Cant beat the price think I will try.
Give it a try, its $19 a gallon and the gearbox shifting feels good, doesn't turn watery quickly like some oils ive tried.
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posted April 28, 2010 03:21 AM
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I am tiered of paying for expensive oil. Heard some good things about Shell Rotella T6 Synthetic . Cant beat the price think I will try.
I can't being myself to try it. I feel safe using amsoil but I might try for a while.
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posted April 28, 2010 05:41 AM
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I am tiered of paying for expensive oil. Heard some good things about Shell Rotella T6 Synthetic . Cant beat the price think I will try.
Give it a try, its $19 a gallon and the gearbox shifting feels good, doesn't turn watery quickly like some oils ive tried.
Lot of owners here use this Shell. Where do you get a gallon for $19.00? Friend was asking. I have a case of Amsoil so I am set for this year. Last year I used Mobil 1 4T,
is it different for the Mobil 1 that was discussed?? Is the Mobil 1 4t and Ansoil PAO??
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posted April 28, 2010 06:37 AM
I'm not sure on the mobil1 4t but at $10 a quart it better be PAO lol. The shell rotella is found for $19 at wal mart stores
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posted April 28, 2010 07:39 AM
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I am tiered of paying for expensive oil. Heard some good things about Shell Rotella T6 Synthetic . Cant beat the price think I will try.
Give it a try, its $19 a gallon and the gearbox shifting feels good, doesn't turn watery quickly like some oils ive tried.
I haven't used it before but I'm thinking of trying it out for a bit and see how it holds up.
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posted April 28, 2010 02:56 PM
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Didn't Mobil take Castrol to court years ago on the premise that Syntec was not "true" synthetic oil,it was hydrocracked dino oil? I thought Mobil 1 was all true synthetic. I thought that Mobil prevailed in the litigation because Castrol had changed their Syntec product line.
Nope, they didn't win that lawsuit. If you can't beat em, join em.
Mobil 1 which was once a true synthetic does not have a lawsuit go in their favor and they start making their oil like Syntec? Something doesn't sound right?
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posted April 28, 2010 03:30 PM
hmmmm, I still don't see any info that is difinitive, but it looks like I was wrong when I look here.... The article says there was NO lawsuit, rather Mobil 1 filed a complaint with the National Advertising Division of the Better Business Bureau, stating that Castrol was falsely advertising placing "synthetic" on their base III oil. The NAD sided with Castrol because to be "synthetic," it has to change significantly, and when a base III oil is hydrocracked, it changes almost completely on a molecular level.... That's what I got out of it. Also, it looks like I was wrong. Apparently Mobil 1 is still a base IV, but almost all other major brand "synthetics" are really base III's.....
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=950368&page=1
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posted April 28, 2010 04:41 PM
I tried calling moble 1 customer support and they would not tell me any info what so ever in regards to group 3 or anything. Something fishy going on if you ask me.
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posted April 28, 2010 05:12 PM
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I tried calling moble 1 customer support and they would not tell me any info what so ever in regards to group 3 or anything. Something fishy going on if you ask me.
one way to see is to look for the msds material safety sheet. It tells you the base oil contents.
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posted April 28, 2010 05:42 PM
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I tried calling moble 1 customer support and they would not tell me any info what so ever in regards to group 3 or anything. Something fishy going on if you ask me.
one way to see is to look for the msds material safety sheet. It tells you the base oil contents.
Where do you find these sheets? I'd love to look at the base stocks of the "so called synthetics".
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posted April 28, 2010 07:35 PM
Try doing a google search phrase "mobil 1 msds" I'm sure you'll dig something up. The real question is which weight has what formulation. Sometimes the common 5w30 might be groupIII but maybe the 15w50 is PAO who knows.
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posted April 28, 2010 07:54 PM
Here's Amsoil's msds http://www.amsoil.com/msds/index.aspx Every oil manufacture should have msds sheets on there web site for everyones right to know for safety info. Amsoil is the only company that I know of that uses the PAO base all the time in there oils.
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posted April 28, 2010 08:01 PM
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Here's Amsoil's msds http://www.amsoil.com/msds/index.aspx Every oil manufacture should have msds sheets on there web site for everyones right to know for safety info. Amsoil is the only company that I know of that uses the PAO base all the time in there oils.
James
** Not all your oils are PAO. (XL series are Group III from what I been told from a Amsoil staff) If you are talking about formula consistency for each specific model then yea you are probably right on that.
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posted April 28, 2010 08:21 PM
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Here's Amsoil's msds http://www.amsoil.com/msds/index.aspx Every oil manufacture should have msds sheets on there web site for everyones right to know for safety info. Amsoil is the only company that I know of that uses the PAO base all the time in there oils.
James
** Not all your oils are PAO. (XL series are Group III from what I been told from a Amsoil staff) If you are talking about formula consistency for each specific model then yea you are probably right on that.
You are correct about the XL formula. If that staff was Tressie she would not be wrong. Thanks
James
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