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posted March 29, 2010 10:32 PM
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posted March 29, 2010 11:01 PM
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alot of the twisty guys like the flys in.
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Don't you find it amusing that the only people to defend leaving flies in have never actually sampled a flies out bike? Nothing new here, enjoy your ignorance....
1+ I find it very stimulating enjoying my ignorance.  My fly is down? Flies around my smelly dick? Who you calling ig no rant?
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posted March 30, 2010 01:50 AM
I took a shower, was feeling "Dirty" someone "Took" my flies before I got it.
My dick is still here. In,out,in,out...... sounds like sex to me :-)
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posted March 30, 2010 02:15 AM
Bro's I didn't mean to cause an uproar on here, I see now that this is a touchy subject. It was just a question for a rider new to the ZX-14 who wants the most out of his bike. I appreciate all the comments and I will take each into consideration very seriously.
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posted March 30, 2010 05:06 AM
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Don't you find it amusing that the only people to defend leaving flies in have never actually sampled a flies out bike? Nothing new here, enjoy your ignorance....
Maybe some folks.... I've had them out for periods of times, 3 now, and have put them back in.
Flies out = 2 1/2 TQ and 4 HP gain - that smooooth throttle. Not a meaningful trade-off on my '08.
What is funny about this 'debate' is that some folks seem to think there is only one way to do it (out that is), and therefore it is the best method for all.
Someone post up some of their 06 or 07 charts, before and after, those gains are much better.
The only way a person's gonna find out if it is worth it in the 08 and later years, is to try it.
As I said earlier, each to their own. As if any of us have the lock on life.
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posted March 30, 2010 08:06 AM
http://brocksperformance.com/lowend.htm
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posted March 30, 2010 08:43 AM
gilberjj I took the flys out of my 14 along time ago so I would know how the bike works in the twistys bone head.
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted March 30, 2010 09:39 AM
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Bro's I didn't mean to cause an uproar on here, I see now that this is a touchy subject. It was just a question for a rider new to the ZX-14 who wants the most out of his bike. I appreciate all the comments and I will take each into consideration very seriously.
Bottom line is , flies out you'll be happy.
3 people out of all the members who have reported back aren't happy . Simple as that.
If this was a poll the majority would win the "Hell yes pull the flies vote."
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posted March 30, 2010 09:42 AM
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http://brocksperformance.com/lowend.htm
Interesting. 9.15 on a stock wheel base, pretty remarkable.
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posted March 30, 2010 09:58 AM
Good read Interesting
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posted March 30, 2010 03:59 PM
I have just one question for all of you with the flies in. If you want a bike that has a smoother power delivery, then WHY OH WHY would you leave the flies in? I remember when I had my flies in, I was accelerating out of a corner holding a steady throttle, then the flies opened, and I suddenly got a boatload of power without asking for it. The ecu simply decided that I was ready for more power because the rpms were rising, thus opening the flies. If the bike didn't ride smoothly without flies in, it simply means that you have a crappy tune. What makes you think the bike is uncontrollable without the flies in?
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posted March 30, 2010 04:35 PM
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I have just one question for all of you with the flies in. If you want a bike that has a smoother power delivery, then WHY OH WHY would you leave the flies in? I remember when I had my flies in, I was accelerating out of a corner holding a steady throttle, then the flies opened, and I suddenly got a boatload of power without asking for it. The ecu simply decided that I was ready for more power because the rpms were rising, thus opening the flies. If the bike didn't ride smoothly without flies in, it simply means that you have a crappy tune. What makes you think the bike is uncontrollable without the flies in?
You know what, mine has the flies in (im pretty sure it is) as previous owner said he hasn't mess anything inside the engine, but i don't feel anything "sudden", its a gradual hard push but its easy to control IMO. Maybe its my style of riding, i do end up doing a little burnout slide as i exit the turns but i don't feel anything that sudden or anything that maybe unsafe to ride in the twisties. I never said it was uncontrollable, i just simply said that the sampled bikes i ride that supposedly had flies out felt kinda jerky and harder to control in low speed maneuvers (parking lot, u turns, tight slow turns etc).
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posted March 30, 2010 04:41 PM
when my bike was bone stock, I would have to launch it at 4500-5000rpm's then as soon as it would hit 6-7k it would go into unicycle mode and try to stand straight up. I also got a few unanticipated chances to back it into corners during "spirited" rides at palomar mountain. I'm still a firm believer that it is the best mod available for gen1 zx14's.
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posted March 30, 2010 04:51 PM
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when my bike was bone stock, I would have to launch it at 4500-5000rpm's then as soon as it would hit 6-7k it would go into unicycle mode and try to stand straight up. I also got a few unanticipated chances to back it into corners during "spirited" rides at palomar mountain. I'm still a firm believer that it is the best mod available for gen1 zx14's.
HAHA maybe that's why i like it, i do back it into the turns some but that's just the way i ride. It doesn't lift the front end in the turn but it does a nice slide as i exit the corner. My canyon buddies say i ride raunchy (not really smooth in transitions) but still pretty fast.
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posted March 30, 2010 04:54 PM
Where are you riding canyons at? We've got some pretty decent ones here in socal 
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posted March 30, 2010 04:58 PM
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Where are you riding canyons at? We've got some pretty decent ones here in socal
So far Angeles Crest has been my Fav (sweeper turns are my fav), ive tried GMR a couple of times on the 14 but i cant seem to keep pace with those pesky Supermoto guys in the really tight stuff. Hwy 33 and Ortega Hwy is pretty kick ass too but lately its been too trafficated lately to have any real fun.
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posted March 30, 2010 06:10 PM
north ca up the coast here hwy 1
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted March 30, 2010 06:25 PM
GMR and 33 are my top choices 
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posted March 30, 2010 06:29 PM
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north ca up the coast here hwy 1
Yes coast hwy all the way up is the best! I have yet to take it all the way up past after the Golden gate.
Gonna do the coast this year again for Laguna Seca  
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posted March 30, 2010 10:19 PM
Cool I road to laguna seca two years ago.the parking is in the dirt and its like flower all over the chain so you might want to park somewhere else or ride another bike there if you can.
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posted March 30, 2010 10:28 PM
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Cool I road to laguna seca two years ago.the parking is in the dirt and its like flower all over the chain so you might want to park somewhere else or ride another bike there if you can.
Yeah it's all part of the experience though .The one time the 14 becomes an off road bike. Gotta love it!
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posted March 31, 2010 02:59 AM
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http://brocksperformance.com/lowend.htm
Good read, went to Ivans and clicked in ZX-14 section and he has Dyno Charts for the several different exhaust systems MAPPED with a TRE, advancer and flies out showed what everyone
feels at low RPM, Increase in power. Advancer test Dyno chart shows Different than what the chart posted on this thread. I use a Ivan map made for ALL my mods on a stock engine 2007.....14. Smooth throttle response and roll on's from 60MPH at 3000 RPM are Faster,
than stock. I ride with 3 other 14's and we used one that was all stock with a SMEG fies in
and early Brocks street map and we pull several bikes lenghts "Right Now) then they hook up but too late. TRE and advancer install on SMEG and the same Ivans map that was made for a Yoush 4/2/1 that I use on my M14 Muzzy is now on all three bikes. Now the Yoush and the M14 (all are geared the same) will inch out the SMEG at 60 in 6th but when we are in 2nd at 7000 RPM they are ALL three even, who ever hits the throttle first when we all 3 hit that is the bike that will pull a bike then we are all 3 EVen all the way to Redline????
All three now have No Pop on deacell now and all three pull harder with map Made for flies out,TRE, advancer set at 4degrees advance and a good 4/2/1 exhaust, these are 2006 and 2007 models 14's and TRE 006A gear indicator shows N all the time. THis Proves a map for a Yoush 4/21 Works Great on other 4/2/1 systems for same design, the Yosh and Muzzy M14 both have stepped head pipes the reason I tried the custom Ivans map on my M14 and it was a smoother map than the Muzzy map Made for the M14 with all my bolt on's just like what Ivan has done. I have ridden 7000 miles tuned like this and many long trips at 70 MPH for hours at a time with No problems to engine and does Not run hot. Air Fuel must be OK. Would like to buy a A/F until with display to see A/F as I ride. Rolling Dyno test :-)
Next test will be a new Brocks street map for the SMEG,flies out, advancer at plus 4 and see if the SMEG 14 performes better than the Ivans map.SMEG revs faster and sounds Bad Azz but a Lot Louder than the other two systems. If I had a track 14 Only Brocks New CT pipe on my 14.
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posted March 31, 2010 04:57 AM
http:/www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/zx14.htm Dyno charts.
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted March 31, 2010 09:49 AM
Good stuff! 
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posted March 31, 2010 10:18 AM
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... when we are in 2nd at 7000 RPM they are ALL three even, who ever hits the throttle first when we all 3 hit that is the bike that will pull a bike then we are all 3 EVen all the way to Redline????
You mean, this being the, "good stuff?" And you wonder why I bark the arc of the, "Linears." You really have nothing going looks like$... The UP Roar IS more laughter on my end...
...And JSmooth, flies are to swat at and sub plates are to eat off of, not installed in a bike. If we have a marshmallow wrist, we want all the soft fluff in play then. Then, you do not want the subthrottles out. This will bring all that power to you a lot sooner and spit you off a lot quicker.
You Have Been Warned = "Dare Is No Turing Back" ~ Of the throttle, meaning, it's too late! Either you are moving straight is fine, or propelled in the air without bike, but still moving in a straight line = Bye-Bye!
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