eklipse636
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posted March 29, 2010 02:16 PM
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Leave the flys in if its an 08 or 09.It will only help bellow 3gs.It dosent do much.save your money and buy some gears.That make a much better improvement.The flys are there to help you not mog the motor at low rpms because its hard on the bottom end.If you drag race take them out because you will never be bellow 3gs on the tach.
Seriously you are on this again?! Your argument does no good here because it doesn't cost him any money because he is already going to install an exhaust and therefore will already need a Power Commander.
+1!!!
Take the flies out. Zx14fan's wife told him he didn't need the flies taken out, so he tries to pass that along.
As for the tiwinder, you don't want it for the street. The first time you take a right curve and it catches the road your gonna regret it
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JDC
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posted March 29, 2010 02:37 PM
 Edited By: JDC on 29 Mar 2010 22:41
Here is an 08' 14 with flies in and out, tuned to each, and once with a muzzy plate advanced a bit.
Dark blue is flies out, Muzzy at 0 (stock timing)
Lt blue is flies out, Muzzy at 4 deg adv, which showed a few HP/TQ loss. I was very surprised at that.
Red is flies in, Muzzy 0
For me, on the track, Willowsprings,or twisties, the throttle became too abrupt for fine throttle control with speed and lean. In the straights great. Stop lights and 1 ... nah.
As you can see there is a noticably smaller gain than the previous years models. Kawa did a good job with fine tuning the 08, fly control, etc.
Each to their own. Do your mods, don't sweat the small stuff unless you'er racing for $, time or bragging rights... and just enjoy.
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CraigChrist
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posted March 29, 2010 02:55 PM
I've still never seen any proof of whether or not the advancer helps at the track. Can someone with experience on the subject please pass it along?
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SLVR_BLT
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posted March 29, 2010 03:20 PM
Mine are left in, i think im going to leave then that way too, smooth throttle response is crucial for smooth lines in the canyons.
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CraigChrist
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posted March 29, 2010 03:30 PM
I find it funny that the only people who have ever had anything bad to say about pulling the flies are JDC who had problems adjusting to the increase in throttle response with the flies out but bought a turbo, and the guy who refuses to acknowledge that it's a free mod lol.
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68gts2
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posted March 29, 2010 03:57 PM
zx14 fan is still whipping the leave flies in and add more gear thing too.i can agree on the gearing being a major improvement,but please lets clear the air with some video here. There is an old post here of several 14s headed to the dyno and vid of them on the way. The first time i watched it i thought that the alien head was so much louder and quicker reving than the other bikes with different pipes. After fly removal and a re-map i know it wasnt the alien head,it was a flys out bike which is why it reved so much quicker than the other bikes. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE WITH THEM OUT ON GEN 2 14s. Sorry to be a dick ZX14Fan but i have to agree to disagree on this one as an 08 owner.
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted March 29, 2010 04:09 PM
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CraigChrist
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posted March 29, 2010 04:13 PM
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zx14 fan is still whipping the leave flies in and add more gear thing too.i can agree on the gearing being a major improvement,but please lets clear the air with some video here. There is an old post here of several 14s headed to the dyno and vid of them on the way. The first time i watched it i thought that the alien head was so much louder and quicker reving than the other bikes with different pipes. After fly removal and a re-map i know it wasnt the alien head,it was a flys out bike which is why it reved so much quicker than the other bikes. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE WITH THEM OUT ON GEN 2 14s. Sorry to be a dick ZX14Fan but i have to agree to disagree on this one as an 08 owner.
Them's fighting words right there... His wife is going to be pissed now :P
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted March 29, 2010 04:15 PM
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zx14 fan is still whipping the leave flies in and add more gear thing too.i can agree on the gearing being a major improvement,but please lets clear the air with some video here. There is an old post here of several 14s headed to the dyno and vid of them on the way. The first time i watched it i thought that the alien head was so much louder and quicker reving than the other bikes with different pipes. After fly removal and a re-map i know it wasnt the alien head,it was a flys out bike which is why it reved so much quicker than the other bikes. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE WITH THEM OUT ON GEN 2 14s. Sorry to be a dick ZX14Fan but i have to agree to disagree on this one as an 08 owner.
Them's fighting words right there... His wife is going to be pissed now :P
Oh shit watch it go through the fan now. 
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JDC
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posted March 29, 2010 06:01 PM
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Mine are left in, i think im going to leave then that way too, smooth throttle response is crucial for smooth lines in the canyons.
yup... 100 %
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JDC
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posted March 29, 2010 06:04 PM
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I've still never seen any proof of whether or not the advancer helps at the track. Can someone with experience on the subject please pass it along?
On the dyno the TTD, with 4 deg adv, lost a little. Street can always be argued as different than dyno, but the principals seem similar. I was pretty surprised. A retired NASCar race mechanic buddy of mine had a similar experience with 4 deg adv, except he was on the track in Fla (I'm CA), with a 50 shot on and off. He was very surprised.
IDK.
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JDC
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posted March 29, 2010 06:10 PM
Edited By: JDC on 30 Mar 2010 02:25
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I find it funny that the only people who have ever had anything bad to say about pulling the flies are JDC who had problems adjusting to the increase in throttle response with the flies out but bought a turbo, and the guy who refuses to acknowledge that it's a free mod lol.
Not a problem adjusting to the "increase in throttle response" - street use was ok, but there was actually a loss of the "fine' throttle control. Traveling at the max lean = peg dragging for the 14 through some of Willowsprings and civilian turns, I feel my skin is worth a smooth, predictable throttle. I'm a conservative rider. Perhaps most folks don't care or notice, or it's not an anoyance for them. Keith Code made notice of it on my bike, negatively, as well has several of his mechanics.
Funny? ... Maybe.
A 'free' mod, sure, but you do have to tune to get really get the 'most' out of it. And if you don't tune to it, there is, on the 08, about nothing gained at all.
Not a problem to do the pull and tune, however, it is a trade off for some.
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CraigChrist
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posted March 29, 2010 06:46 PM
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Mine are left in, i think im going to leave then that way too, smooth throttle response is crucial for smooth lines in the canyons.
if you're leaving them in an 06 or 07 for smoot throttle response you're a fucking idiot. Period. The first time that you hit 6k mid apex you'll be wishing you had pulled them.
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SLVR_BLT
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posted March 29, 2010 06:57 PM
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Mine are left in, i think im going to leave then that way too, smooth throttle response is crucial for smooth lines in the canyons.
if you're leaving them in an 06 or 07 for smoot throttle response you're a fucking idiot. Period. The first time that you hit 6k mid apex you'll be wishing you had pulled them.
Im use to that "lag" as my previous bikes all had it, the 600, 750, 800 etc has the same thing, im totally immune to it. Since my 750 has that sudden power jump in the higher rpms ive grown used to that feeling. If you're riding truly "spirited" you have no business in thew low rpms anyways where this takes the most effect. Ive only had the bike for 850 miles worth of riding, i may change my mind once i "grow" into it some, so don't be sitting here talking this trash.
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CraigChrist
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posted March 29, 2010 07:46 PM
A 2-stroke powerband belongs no where near a 170hp 500 lb bike. Save that shit for the farty little 600's and and 750's that won't get you hurt when they come on the pipe lol.
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted March 29, 2010 07:58 PM
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A 2-stroke powerband belongs no where near a 170hp 500 lb bike. Save that shit for the farty little 600's and and 750's that won't get you hurt when they come on the pipe lol.
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posted March 29, 2010 08:17 PM
Edited By: SLVR_BLT on 30 Mar 2010 04:39
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A 2-stroke powerband belongs no where near a 170hp 500 lb bike. Save that shit for the farty little 600's and and 750's that won't get you hurt when they come on the pipe lol.
lol That's what you say, you probably never have been on a 750, 125rwhp+ on a bike with 120+lbs less weight is more then enough to put you on your ass if you cant ride. 10.26 secs. @ 137.53 mph passes on a stock 750 shows its not THAT far off from the brawny 14 considering nearly twice the displacement. I mean im not saying the 14 isn't fast, its fast as hell but don't try to make it sound like a 750 is some junior shit, it holds its own.
BTW thanks for your replies this is exactly the kind of reply id expect from a arrogant owner of a big displacement bike.
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posted March 29, 2010 09:07 PM
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zx14fan
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posted March 29, 2010 09:25 PM
636 you need something new dude.That same old line over and over.You must have a bigger brain than that.And you ride a 14 lol wow.Just try real hard to think about something new,you can do it???
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zx14fan
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posted March 29, 2010 09:32 PM
Well ballz I guess im not the only idiot here.We ride in the canyons so like myself alot of the twisty guys like the flys in.Yoyu really need to learn how to control your mouth.do you talk like that in front of your mom?
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posted March 29, 2010 09:56 PM
I've been on a couple of 750's, a hand full of 1000's, and a 500cc dirt bike or two in my day. A 750 is NO WHERE NEAR the same league as a busa or 14. That's like claiming that just because a KX80 handles like it's on rails and will carry the front wheel through every gear it is in the same league as a KX500 or CR500.
As for the 750's not being "that far off" from a zx14 in the 1/4. Go to the track and see them turn a full second slower then come back and talk. Don't try to talk 1/4 mile numbers with a drag racer lol.
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gilberjj
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posted March 29, 2010 09:59 PM
Don't you find it amusing that the only people to defend leaving flies in have never actually sampled a flies out bike? Nothing new here, enjoy your ignorance....
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CraigChrist
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posted March 29, 2010 10:02 PM
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Well ballz I guess im not the only idiot here.We ride in the canyons so like myself alot of the twisty guys like the flys in.Yoyu really need to learn how to control your mouth.do you talk like that in front of your mom?
No, but I do in front of yours 
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SLVR_BLT
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posted March 29, 2010 10:17 PM
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I've been on a couple of 750's, a hand full of 1000's, and a 500cc dirt bike or two in my day. A 750 is NO WHERE NEAR the same league as a busa or 14. That's like claiming that just because a KX80 handles like it's on rails and will carry the front wheel through every gear it is in the same league as a KX500 or CR500.
As for the 750's not being "that far off" from a zx14 in the 1/4. Go to the track and see them turn a full second slower then come back and talk. Don't try to talk 1/4 mile numbers with a drag racer lol.
LOL, i been to the track a couple times. Ive seen Busa and ZX owner click off anything as bad as 10.6 and as fast as 9.20 for the guys who know their stuff, avg riders of busa and zx are clicking off low 10s high 9s. Ive also seen 06-07 750's clicking off high 9s and low 10s too. Assuming both riders are the same skills, 0.7~1 second is prolly about right but for twice the bike 0.7-1 second isn't as big as a gap as one would think on something twice as big.
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SLVR_BLT
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posted March 29, 2010 10:28 PM
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Don't you find it amusing that the only people to defend leaving flies in have never actually sampled a flies out bike? Nothing new here, enjoy your ignorance....
When i was out shopping for a ZX i have sampled one, it was a 2007, and one 2008 so i guess it wouldn't count as being the same but it felt strong down low but it was kinda hard to do smooth low speed maneuvering, it was a bit abrupt and choppy/jerky (like if you were starting from a tall gear). Maybe its something you get used to after a while but i didn't like it. Like i said earlier in the post, maybe later on when i grown into the bike i may try the mod but for now im happy with what it is, i just need more seat time to see what the bike is capable of as-is before i make any changes.
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