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posted March 17, 2010 08:51 AM
Seriously considering Switching Exhaust. What do you think?
Now that I am stock motor again, I think the Brocks sidewinder is hurting me. If you think i should switch pipes, what do you reccomend?
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Shane661
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posted March 17, 2010 08:53 AM
How do you think it is hurting you?? And why do you think that?
I've had the M14, Shortmeg, CT, and now I'm trying out a TiWinder...
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posted March 17, 2010 09:08 AM
Ok let me correct what I said. We went and had the bike dynoed with the sidewinder and my sponsor had a muzzy system with the oval can. I do not remember what kind it was but the bike gained 11hp with it. I know I will suffer ground clearance but when I asked about it, I was told the sidewinder was too open not making enough back pressure for the stock motor. I was thinking maybe a short meg or something.
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posted March 17, 2010 09:13 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 17 Mar 2010 17:18
11hp with an aftermarket pipe swap?? Seems very unlikely to me. You better make sure the a/f is identical...variances can account for big dyno hp changes. I don't recall anyone losing peak hp by switching to a sidewinder, that's for sure.
On top of that, the ground clearance is a big issue, due to ride height adjustments. As you know, most of your ET is made or lost in the first 330'...where wheelies can really kill you, and your ET.
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posted March 17, 2010 09:20 AM
And that my friend is the only 2 factors keeping me on the sidewinder. I will not be getting ride of it because I am building another nitrous application and my short times right now is my money so I do not like the idea of risking this but if you are familiar with the rockstar zx14, it does not have a sidewinder and he stays in the air but I have seen the bike go a lot faster than 8.40 on what is claimed to be a stock motor. Out of respect for their camp and grudge racing, i will not say the time but it is very impressive so imagine what would happen with a sidewinder.
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posted March 17, 2010 09:23 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 17 Mar 2010 17:24
I don't think I have seen that Rockstar bike...but if it is under 400 lbs, factor that in. 
But, I'll tell you what...I will put my bike on the dyno in the next few weeks and see how the power curve of the TiWinder compares to the Shortmeg and CT header's. 
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posted March 17, 2010 09:30 AM
Thanks man and the Rockstar bike is fully dressed with the exception of the catalyst seat.
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posted March 17, 2010 09:32 AM
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Thanks man and the Rockstar bike is fully dressed with the exception of the catalyst seat.
Ok, in that case...they are spraying, right?
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posted March 17, 2010 11:35 AM
Lawd have mercy they are spraying the house down! Like a huge shot! there is a video of him giving a big guy the back tire on a big motor hand clutch busa and him coming around him on the back tire. And later he stands up on the line sits it down and right about the 1000ft mark, he stands up again and still sets the win lights on against a 1000 with a slider and some more goodies. The bike is flying and is still stock clutch!
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posted March 17, 2010 11:37 AM
Kaw-rick is running 100 shot wet on a stock motor, so I can see that.
I might stay stock motor, or not. It's not much bragging rights, really. I'd rather have the motor live. 
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posted March 17, 2010 11:40 AM
Just asking, did Kaw-rick do the valve springs? also what did he use to take out timing. was it module or what? That's kind of pushing the issue and like I said, I am on my third motor and can not afford to keep blowing up! But I definately want a much bigger shot. I grudge race a lot!
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posted March 17, 2010 11:40 AM
I think rick has stock springs too...pm him.
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posted March 17, 2010 11:47 AM
WOW if that is the case, there is the BOOOMMM factor. I don't wish that on anyone but better safe than sorry!
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posted March 17, 2010 12:20 PM
Stock motor. stock springs. The bikes fast im not much of a rider. 6 degrees out with a module. its all in the details to keep motor alive. my bikes an 06 been spraying since new. Any further questions just ask. p.s i like wet nos.
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posted March 17, 2010 12:37 PM
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Lawd have mercy they are spraying the house down! Like a huge shot! there is a video of him giving a big guy the back tire on a big motor hand clutch busa and him coming around him on the back tire. And later he stands up on the line sits it down and right about the 1000ft mark, he stands up again and still sets the win lights on against a 1000 with a slider and some more goodies. The bike is flying and is still stock clutch!
where can you find this video at?
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posted March 17, 2010 12:37 PM
I know of a few 14 running 80+ dry shots on stock bottom ends with valve springs. It's all in the tune. You are losing a little bottom end, but gaining peak power with the sidewinder over a regular street exhaust.
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posted March 17, 2010 01:19 PM
You can find the video on YouTube search for busabikes gump
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posted March 17, 2010 01:39 PM
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Lawd have mercy they are spraying the house down! Like a huge shot! there is a video of him giving a big guy the back tire on a big motor hand clutch busa and him coming around him on the back tire. And later he stands up on the line sits it down and right about the 1000ft mark, he stands up again and still sets the win lights on against a 1000 with a slider and some more goodies. The bike is flying and is still stock clutch!
where can you find this video at?
I will post it!
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posted March 17, 2010 01:52 PM
maybe 1-2 hp diff from a SW to a street pipe, but the gain in power (if at all) from a street pipe will not be even close to making up for the slower hole shot due to the higher center of gravity
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posted March 17, 2010 03:58 PM
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maybe 1-2 hp diff from a SW to a street pipe, but the gain in power (if at all) from a street pipe will not be even close to making up for the slower hole shot due to the higher center of gravity
So you think street pipes make more power then sidewinders?
The Brock's techs told me that SWs make more peak power.
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posted March 17, 2010 04:07 PM
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maybe 1-2 hp diff from a SW to a street pipe, but the gain in power (if at all) from a street pipe will not be even close to making up for the slower hole shot due to the higher center of gravity
So you think street pipes make more power then sidewinders?
The Brock's techs told me that SWs make more peak power.
This is true if you have a built motor but on stock motors, I was told and seen the HP difference. It dropped! Like i said, I have not made my mine up but I am considering it. I am scared as ever to build my motor again so I am looking for everything I can get out of the stock app.
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posted March 17, 2010 04:28 PM
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maybe 1-2 hp diff from a SW to a street pipe, but the gain in power (if at all) from a street pipe will not be even close to making up for the slower hole shot due to the higher center of gravity
So you think street pipes make more power then sidewinders?
The Brock's techs told me that SWs make more peak power.
This is true if you have a built motor but on stock motors, I was told and seen the HP difference. It dropped! Like i said, I have not made my mine up but I am considering it. I am scared as ever to build my motor again so I am looking for everything I can get out of the stock app.
Smokin said his mph went up when he went to the sw on a stock motor...... that would indicate more hp. I'm not arguing with you...... well, I guess I am, but I'm still interested in hearing about your experience. I want to make sure that buying my brocks sw was a good investment.
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posted March 17, 2010 05:15 PM
Buying the sidewinder was a damn good investment. I am just weighing my options. I am not trying to toot my own horn but I can ride my azz off so I am not worried about the ground clearance but notice how much power jesse is picking up! I have been told time and time again that sidewinders hurt stock zx14 motors and I am now listening! Honeslty, I do not want to change it but I want more power!
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posted March 17, 2010 05:35 PM
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maybe 1-2 hp diff from a SW to a street pipe, but the gain in power (if at all) from a street pipe will not be even close to making up for the slower hole shot due to the higher center of gravity
So you think street pipes make more power then sidewinders?
The Brock's techs told me that SWs make more peak power.
it depends on the SW, and street pipe. sometimes the bends to get clearance arent the best for power, but i dont think thats an issue with Brocks
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posted March 17, 2010 06:46 PM
If i recall my test of the SW Vs the Smeg the SW made a bit more MPH but ran the same Ets .. I'd like to see a Test with the new CT Vs the new TI Sidewinder ..
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