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posted February 09, 2010 06:21 PM
The chain was put on by myself and a good friend named Joe Sylvia who owns Racers machine and has been building and drag racing bikes for the better part of 20 years. There definitely wasn't anything wrong with how it was put together, or the inspection/maintenance of it.
Smokin'... my front sprocket is a JT 16T so it doesn't have the rubber damper on it.
Dusty, the chain guard was a cheap $35 one that I got off of ebay that is a direct copy of a Tiger. I don't think that a Tiger would have held up any better, and am pretty happy with the way that that one did it's job. I'm guessing that the link let go right after it passed the front sprocket because my chain guard stuck back past the sprocket and was even with the lip on the rear wheel. It must have came up, popped the fender and grabbed the chain guard twisting it forward like that. I'm just really hoping that the chain didn't do too much damage on its way through the cases.
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posted February 09, 2010 06:30 PM
you can safety wire those too. better than silicone i hear. glad that wasnt worse!
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posted February 12, 2010 06:43 AM
Chad-- your parts are on the way!
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted February 12, 2010 04:29 PM
Dammit boy ! 
I've had my close calls with master clips but never threw a chain.
But those close calls and the need to constantly have the master clip on my mind have
made me a rivet link man now lol!
Master links wear out and need to be replaced anyway when you remove them and reinstall them.
Care must be taken too when removing and reinstalling the link cause the outher link needs to be pulled off as straight as possible and installed as straight as possible.
A link tool will keep things square so the outer link will stay in press fit shape.
After all it isn't the clip that holds everything together it is just there as a saftey.
That is also an overlooked check on a clip chain ,and that is to check if the clip doesn't have pressure on it from the outer link .
If the clip is having pressure on it that means the outer link isn't pressed on all the way or the outer link is has lost it's press fit tightness and is wanting to come apart!
I wouldn't use a master link again lol.
I'm glad to see nothing happened to you man and your bike made it with out a crash!
Let me know if you need and parts too and I'll do what I can to help.
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posted February 12, 2010 04:31 PM
Also , what's with the new screen name? What did I miss!?
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posted February 12, 2010 07:42 PM
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Dammit boy !
I've had my close calls with master clips but never threw a chain.
But those close calls and the need to constantly have the master clip on my mind have
made me a rivet link man now lol!
Master links wear out and need to be replaced anyway when you remove them and reinstall them.
Care must be taken too when removing and reinstalling the link cause the outher link needs to be pulled off as straight as possible and installed as straight as possible.
A link tool will keep things square so the outer link will stay in press fit shape.
After all it isn't the clip that holds everything together it is just there as a saftey.
That is also an overlooked check on a clip chain ,and that is to check if the clip doesn't have pressure on it from the outer link .
If the clip is having pressure on it that means the outer link isn't pressed on all the way or the outer link is has lost it's press fit tightness and is wanting to come apart!
I wouldn't use a master link again lol.
I'm glad to see nothing happened to you man and your bike made it with out a crash!
Let me know if you need and parts too and I'll do what I can to help.
This is exactly right , every time I have had a clip fail there was a issue with the link plate coming unpressed off the stake's then rubing, wearing on the clip , also the clips have to fit tight in the stake end's for what it's worth.
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posted February 12, 2010 07:55 PM
Wow I have heard of riders getting hurt on thrown chains . I thought master clip link were only used on much lower HP bikes
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted February 12, 2010 08:15 PM
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Dammit boy !
I've had my close calls with master clips but never threw a chain.
But those close calls and the need to constantly have the master clip on my mind have
made me a rivet link man now lol!
Master links wear out and need to be replaced anyway when you remove them and reinstall them.
Care must be taken too when removing and reinstalling the link cause the outher link needs to be pulled off as straight as possible and installed as straight as possible.
A link tool will keep things square so the outer link will stay in press fit shape.
After all it isn't the clip that holds everything together it is just there as a saftey.
That is also an overlooked check on a clip chain ,and that is to check if the clip doesn't have pressure on it from the outer link .
If the clip is having pressure on it that means the outer link isn't pressed on all the way or the outer link is has lost it's press fit tightness and is wanting to come apart!
I wouldn't use a master link again lol.
I'm glad to see nothing happened to you man and your bike made it with out a crash!
Let me know if you need and parts too and I'll do what I can to help.
This is exactly right , every time I have had a clip fail there was a issue with the link plate coming unpressed
off the stake's then rubing, wearing on the clip , also the clips have to fit tight in the stake end's for what it's
worth.
Yes and it is a common practice to not replace the master link .
When a clip magically disappears it usually is either because it was installed with the
open end facing the wrong way, the pins and clip worn from natural use,or it failed do to metal fatigue from norma use removal and installations.
Now the outer link plate can wear out too after being removed and reinstalled too many times.
Even less if not removed properly or installed with a link press.
Bottom line is if a clip link must be used , take proper actions to keep it in one piece!
Use a chain tool to get the link apart and back together... No screwdriver hammer or visegrips lol!
If the link is removed too many times or if the link goes back together too easy . Replace the whole link.
If the clip magically disappears, it would be good practice to replae the link.
Check it regulary , like every gas stop. If the clip has any pressure imposed on it. Replace the whole link.
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posted February 12, 2010 08:19 PM
I have several new links and clips. Every time I take my chain off I replace the link and the clip. The clips are designed for one time use.
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posted February 12, 2010 08:23 PM
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I have several new links and clips. Every time I take my chain off I replace the link and the clip.
The clips are designed for one time use.
Right on ! 
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posted February 12, 2010 08:55 PM
If you have to put on a new one each time chain removed & safety wire seems like it be the same cost and time as using a pressed master link.
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posted February 13, 2010 10:15 AM
 Edited By: Flame On on 13 Feb 2010 18:18
EK makes a master link that screws together about a year ago don't know if anybody here is using it or if it had any problems
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posted February 13, 2010 10:21 AM
http://www.ekchain.com/access.htm
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posted February 13, 2010 10:39 AM
i switched to a non o-ring chain on my old cbx back in the day and it failed prematurely after a short time of street riding. i took good care of it but it would tend to bind after a thrashing, finally spit it out on the ground on a hard launch, luckily no damge or injury, just one hell of an over rev!
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posted February 13, 2010 02:37 PM
Edited By: LAB3 on 13 Feb 2010 22:40
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EK makes a master link that screws together about a year ago don't know if anybody here is using it or if it had any problems
I wondered that too. My take on this topic is to use a rivet master link on 14.
The screw could back out of this design master link too. When I am installing
a rivet style master link I use my Dial Caliper and measure the distance inside
and inbetween the side link plates as Not to press them together TOO much.
Bawls gald you are OK Bro. parts can be replaced.
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posted February 13, 2010 04:18 PM
quote:
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EK makes a master link that screws together about a year ago don't know if anybody here is using it or if it had any problems
I wondered that too. My take on this topic is to use a rivet master link on 14.
The screw could back out of this design master link too. When I am installing
a rivet style master link I use my Dial Caliper and measure the distance inside
and inbetween the side link plates as Not to press them together TOO much.
Bawls gald you are OK Bro. parts can be replaced.
Louis
+1 on the dial caliper!
I messed up a few links and o-rings before I figured that one out lol!
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posted February 13, 2010 04:21 PM
I wouldn't use the screw type links either. Now you have 2 more things to check on the chain ... One was bad enough! None is better lol! 
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posted February 13, 2010 05:32 PM
Rivet links usually come with plates that insert into each side of the link to prevent squeezing it to much. This provides the correct spacing for the o-rings. Keep these plates they are reusable. No need for calipers.
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posted February 13, 2010 05:35 PM
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Rivet links usually come with plates that insert into each side of the link to prevent squeezing it to much. This provides the correct spacing for the o-rings. Keep these plates they are reusable. No need for calipers.
Yes I only buy new chains and have the plates for the correct spacing
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posted February 13, 2010 05:48 PM
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Rivet links usually come with plates that insert into each side of the link to prevent squeezing it to much. This provides the correct spacing for the o-rings. Keep these plates they are reusable. No need for calipers.
+1
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posted February 13, 2010 07:02 PM
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Rivet links usually come with plates that insert into each side of the link to prevent squeezing it to much. This provides the correct spacing for the o-rings. Keep these plates they are reusable. No need for calipers.
+1
Call me Old School. But on a motorcycle that will go 190+ MPH I feel better KNOWING what my chain spec's are. I tend to misplace small parts :-) Yes you can use the spacer plates
and they work great, I guess being a old Tool&Die Maker I tend to over do it. I did not say
you had to measure but that I prefer to do it this way. Too each his own. JMHO
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posted February 13, 2010 07:14 PM
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Rivet links usually come with plates that insert into each side of the link to prevent squeezing it to much. This provides the correct spacing for the o-rings. Keep these plates they are reusable. No need for calipers.
+1
Call me Old School. But on a motorcycle that will go 190+ MPH I feel better KNOWING what my chain spec's are. I tend to misplace small parts :-) Yes you can use the spacer plates
and they work great, I guess being a old Tool&Die Maker I tend to over do it. I did not say
you had to measure but that I prefer to do it this way. Too each his own. JMHO
+1!
Somebody obviously hasn't handled many new chains especially dealer ordered ones. I dunno why but as a dealer you get a significant discount bu they don't include those spacers.
Even store bought chains don't alwas have them included.
Even with the spacers you can get the spacing wrong . Much more accurate using a dial caliper 
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posted February 14, 2010 08:52 AM
I hate my non o ring chain on my 14 and have used master link clip on my dragbikes and streetbikes for years
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posted February 14, 2010 09:03 PM
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Be curious to the install technique. It has EVERYTHING to do with the longevity. I've seen riveted links fail due to improper installation.
Ditto that.
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posted February 15, 2010 05:14 AM
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I hate my non o ring chain on my 14 and have used master link clip on my dragbikes and streetbikes for years
Me two on both.................. but. sooner or later. Hence this topic and pic of results.
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