blackmamba
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posted February 03, 2010 12:44 PM
Gains to be expected (RWHP)
From pulling the flies and getting a tune....
Full exhaust system with tune....
Just wondering what the average is for these two mods...Also what is the best system that retains the two exhaust look and is a direct bolt-on. Does muzzy have one that has two pipes?
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posted February 03, 2010 01:12 PM
plus pop the flies, mad pow-ah to be expected from the mods 
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posted February 03, 2010 01:15 PM
Flies is a free mod! I have not seen any aftermarket dual exhaust full systems at least not available in the US.
I know in the UK there are some manufacturers that make full system duals for other models but not sure if they have any for the 14.
They are very very pricey too! 
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Shane661
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posted February 03, 2010 01:22 PM
Brock's has the CT dual system.
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posted February 03, 2010 01:44 PM
I just checked that out, I Love it! But 2k clams? It looks a lot like the duall r-77 slip ons like a have now, but in a full system and brocks quality.
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posted February 03, 2010 01:45 PM
 Edited By: BobC on 3 Feb 2010 21:47
The gains from just pulling the flies are at lower engine speeds, around 3000rpm and depend on the year of the bike, because they are mapped differently by Kawasaki.
On an 06 with a PC and a custom tune you could see another 25bhp by getting rid of the hole in the power curve and much better throttle response at low rpm. Peak power will not change by pulling the flies but the custom tune might find a little more.
If you change the exhaust system too, for a decent four-into-one, you should see at least another 20bhp at peak power and the power-to-weight ratio will also improve because the Kawasaki system is very heavy.
I don't know about dual systems, they are mostly for sound and looks in my book.
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posted February 03, 2010 02:00 PM
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The gains from just pulling the flies are at lower engine speeds, around 3000rpm and depend on the year of the bike, because they are mapped differently by Kawasaki.
On an 06 with a PC and a custom tune you could see another 25bhp by getting rid of the hole in the power curve and much better throttle response at low rpm. Peak power will not change by pulling the flies but the custom tune might find a little more.
If you change the exhaust system too, for a decent four-into-one, you should see at least another 20bhp at peak power and the power-to-weight ratio will also improve because the Kawasaki system is very heavy.
I don't know about dual systems, they are mostly for sound and looks in my book.
+1 slip ons make noise
Full systems make power
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posted February 03, 2010 02:04 PM
Edited By: dakota9498 on 3 Feb 2010 22:05
The Brocks Dual CT System actually makes more horsepower than the single, but not by much, and it is BIG $.
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posted February 03, 2010 02:05 PM
The CTdual will make as much power (or more) as a 4/1. Do not mistake a true full exhaust for slip-on mufflers.
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blackmamba
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posted February 03, 2010 02:08 PM
So stock pipes with fly's removed and PC tune is 20 RWHP!!!! Has this been tested on a dyno? Are those fly's that restrictive?
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posted February 03, 2010 02:18 PM
Fly removal does not boost peak hp. With a full system you will see 15-20 hp peak. Fly removal will enhance low-mid rpm power, stock pipes or aftermarket.
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Hurricane
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posted February 03, 2010 02:21 PM
I have an 07. PCIII, flies out, Brocks CT single exhaust, 16-41 gears and it makes about 181 HP. About 20 lbs lighter with the exhaust system.
Before I did all that it had 157 HP. Hope that helps.
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kawasakijockey
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posted February 03, 2010 02:35 PM
Removing the flies just moves your torque curve to start 3500rpm earlier with the 06-07.
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posted February 03, 2010 02:50 PM
Edited By: JDC on 3 Feb 2010 22:56
Nothing spectacular/not much for my 08. All these were tuned to the mod for best TTD
Dark blue is flies out, Muzzy at 0 (stock timing)
Lt blue is flies out, Muzzy at 4 deg adv, which showed a few HP/TQ loss. I was very surprised at that.
Red is flies in, Muzzy 0
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posted February 03, 2010 03:03 PM
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Brock's has the CT dual system.
There ya go another reason why Brocks rules! 
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posted February 03, 2010 03:06 PM
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Nothing spectacular/not much for my 08. All these were tuned to the mod for best TTD
Dark blue is flies out, Muzzy at 0 (stock timing)
Lt blue is flies out, Muzzy at 4 deg adv, which showed a few HP/TQ loss. I was very surprised at that.
Red is flies in, Muzzy 0
It will be a much bigger (huge) difference on the 06, though.
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posted February 03, 2010 03:06 PM
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I have an 07. PCIII, flies out, Brocks CT single exhaust, 16-41 gears and it makes about 181 HP. About 20 lbs lighter with the exhaust system.
Before I did all that it had 157 HP. Hope that helps.
What setup did you have to make the 157hp?
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posted February 03, 2010 03:08 PM
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Nothing spectacular/not much for my 08. All these were tuned to the mod for best TTD
Dark blue is flies out, Muzzy at 0 (stock timing)
Lt blue is flies out, Muzzy at 4 deg adv, which showed a few HP/TQ loss. I was very surprised at that.
Red is flies in, Muzzy 0
It will be a much bigger (huge) difference on the 06, though.
Hurge is an understatement on the 06!
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posted February 03, 2010 03:13 PM
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I just checked that out, I Love it! But 2k clams? It looks a lot like the duall r-77 slip ons like a have now,
but in a full system and brocks quality.
2K !?
I'd still pick Brock over yoshi on the 14 lol! 
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posted February 03, 2010 03:17 PM
The gains from just pulling the flies are at lower engine speeds, around 3000rpm and depend on the year of the bike, because they are mapped differently by Kawasaki.
On an 06 with a PC and a custom tune you could see another 25bhp by getting rid of the hole in the power curve and much better throttle response at low rpm. Peak power will not change by pulling the flies but the custom tune might find a little more.
If you change the exhaust system too, for a decent four-into-one, you should see at least another 20bhp at peak power.
You must be joking? a custom tune will gain 25 bhp and another 20 bhp from a four into one system for a total 45 more hp? thats a joke.maybe ten to fifteen tops and thats tops from those mods.
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blackmamba
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posted February 03, 2010 05:23 PM
I just talked to PO and he said he put ONLY a front sprocket on the bike and it was -1 than stock...
How does that affect performance? Faster in the quarter mile but lower top speed? If so by how much and is that a good mod to only do the front sprocket?
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posted February 03, 2010 05:34 PM
i have an 09 will i notice better throttle response everyone who has an 09 seems to say didnt seem to make much diff is the which one is better pc3 or 5 will be going to the track this summer need to get back into it started draging with an ex 500 in 87 and was hooked then went to cars now i have the biggg dawg and what to put down some numbers i love this bike as soon as i picked it up last april my buddy got rid of his busa go figure you guys are very informative good forum
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posted February 03, 2010 05:36 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 4 Feb 2010 01:41
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I just talked to PO and he said he put ONLY a front sprocket on the bike and it was -1 than stock...
How does that affect performance? Faster in the quarter mile but lower top speed? If so by how much and is that a good mod to only do the front sprocket?
Abe
Yes, quicker at the expense of top speed. However, I have been 186+ actual mph on -1 gearing, officially timed at the Maxton Mile LSR event. You will need a Speedohealer to keep the limiter from kicking in early, however.
Unless you plan on going over 188-190 real mph, I would consider it a good trade. 
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posted February 03, 2010 05:41 PM
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i have an 09 will i notice better throttle response everyone who has an 09 seems to say didnt seem to
make much diff is the which one is better pc3 or 5 will be going to the
track this summer need to get back into it started draging with an ex 500 in 87 and was hooked
then went to cars now i have the biggg dawg and what to put down some numbers i love this bike as
soon as i picked it up last april my buddy got rid of his busa go figure you guys are very informative good
forum
Yes you will notice better throttle response and feel a bit more power with the flies out even with the 09.
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blackmamba
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posted February 03, 2010 05:48 PM
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I just talked to PO and he said he put ONLY a front sprocket on the bike and it was -1 than stock...
How does that affect performance? Faster in the quarter mile but lower top speed? If so by how much and is that a good mod to only do the front sprocket?
Abe
Yes, quicker at the expense of top speed. However, I have been 186+ actual mph on -1 gearing, officially timed at the Maxton Mile LSR event. You will need a Speedohealer to keep the limiter from kicking in early, however.
Unless you plan on going over 188-190 real mph, I would consider it a good trade.
He did install the speedo healer with it. He actually has a little button that I can hit and it shows the highest speed he has ever hit. Right inbetween 170-180. How much faster is -1 over stock?
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