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posted December 29, 2009 10:20 PM
Injectors
i am looking to buy some of the new bosch injectors that Schnitz sells i was just wondering if they are a direct drop in for a stock rail, or want other injectors are good that are drop in. Thanks
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posted December 30, 2009 05:52 PM
Anybody out there????
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posted December 30, 2009 07:06 PM
wish i could help 01 -- i'v been hearing alot about the removal of stock injectors, but what are the advantages---and are they worth the cost. most guys are busaboys and they all say there are advantages but i'm not sure i see it's worth. please post that info when you see it worth and advantages. and good luck
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posted December 30, 2009 09:24 PM
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wish i could help 01 -- i'v been hearing alot about the removal of stock injectors, but what are the advantages---and are they worth the cost. most guys are busaboys and they all say there are advantages but i'm not sure i see it's worth. please post that info when you see it worth and advantages. and good luck
If i were to plan on running with race gas i would leave my stock ones in but i want to burn e85 that takes ALOT more fuel than gas does, so i need to get bigger ones for the more fuel ill be burning its about 30% more
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posted December 30, 2009 10:32 PM
I read on here that 08 injectors fit an 07 and have 25% more flow.
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posted December 31, 2009 02:34 PM
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So no one on this site knows anything about injectors on the 14???
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posted December 31, 2009 03:16 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 31 Dec 2009 23:19
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i am looking to buy some of the new bosch injectors that Schnitz sells i was just wondering if they are a direct drop in for a stock rail, or want other injectors are good that are drop in. Thanks
schnitz has a tech line to call and ask
i know that rc injectors work ..but i'm not sure about the rail .. i heard mitsubishi injectors work also ..
i use 08 injectors .. my injector duty cycle max out at 14lbs of boost and the pc the number values are at 50 in the 100% WOT ...
so i figure with e85 9lbs of boost with same pc settings or map .. thats what i'm going to try at the track ..if it lean i'll quit
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posted December 31, 2009 03:24 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 31 Dec 2009 23:25
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mitsubishi-Evolution-8-9-750cc-Injectors-EVO8-EVO9-EVO_W0QQitemZ400093760570QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5d27724c3a
i'll get 1 from my local parts house and try it first ..before i purchase 4 and they don't work
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posted December 31, 2009 03:51 PM
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i am looking to buy some of the new bosch injectors that Schnitz sells i was just wondering if they are a direct drop in for a stock rail, or want other injectors are good that are drop in. Thanks
schnitz has a tech line to call and ask
i know that rc injectors work ..but i'm not sure about the rail .. i heard mitsubishi injectors work also ..
i use 08 injectors .. my injector duty cycle max out at 14lbs of boost and the pc the number values are at 50 in the 100% WOT ...
so i figure with e85 9lbs of boost with same pc settings or map .. thats what i'm going to try at the track ..if it lean i'll quit
I called but they were not to sure on of the will fit, Ive herd alot of guys running the RC 550s if i could just get a part number for them i would be a happy camper.
also i plan on running 750s or bigger, because when i do put rods and pistons in it it will be turned up alot more and i plan on doing this fuel system once only.
My friend just went to 1000s in his evo ill try out one of his stockers and let us know
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posted December 31, 2009 04:27 PM
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=3&TID=52040&set_time=
get with these guys on the rc 550's ..they have a set with a muzzy fuel rail for sale
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posted December 31, 2009 04:29 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 1 Jan 2010 00:31
Call the company who made the kit?
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posted January 01, 2010 09:52 AM
Edited By: JDC on 1 Jan 2010 17:53
01,
I found a place a few years ago that made custom injectors.. I'll see if I can find their name someplace.
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posted January 03, 2010 01:54 PM
well e85 in a turbo is a no go with 08 injectors .. i've got a dyno date late january but working off my data-logger i couldn't get enough fuel into the cylinders
even at idle my map #'s are -42 on gas ..on e85 it took +10 just to get the idle a/f right ..
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posted January 03, 2010 03:27 PM
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well e85 in a turbo is a no go with 08 injectors .. i've got a dyno date late january but working off my data-logger i couldn't get enough fuel into the cylinders
even at idle my map #'s are -42 on gas ..on e85 it took +10 just to get the idle a/f right ..
It takes ALOT of injector to run e85, i have a few damn good tuners around here some of the best turners in the country (on cars) IMO and they all agree that i will need at least 750cc injectors to run e85 and make 300hp i plan on running 10 pounds so what ever it makes on 10psi that's what it makes im not chasing numbers with the stock motor but im guessing ill hit 310-320hp corrected and 250-260hp actual
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posted January 03, 2010 04:24 PM
if e85 makes more hp than gas like everybody says .. then you won't need 10lbs of boost to get 300hp .. my bike makes 287hp on 9lbs with avgas .. and that is my reasons for wanting e85 is less boost and cooler burn same hp ..
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posted January 03, 2010 10:33 PM
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if e85 makes more hp than gas like everybody says .. then you won't need 10lbs of boost to get 300hp .. my bike makes 287hp on 9lbs with avgas .. and that is my reasons for wanting e85 is less boost and cooler burn same hp ..
Your right, every car we have tested it in it has picked up right at 50HP but the cars that we did testing on were in the 750-900HP range so who knows what it will do for the bike
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posted January 05, 2010 09:55 AM
Edited By: JDC on 5 Jan 2010 17:58
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I found a place a few years ago that made custom injectors.. I'll see if I can find their name someplace.
RC Eng in Torrence Calif. Send them an OEM and they can match it's fit and give you ones with different flow rates.
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posted January 05, 2010 09:57 AM
Edited By: JDC on 5 Jan 2010 18:02
01smokes:
why would e85 take more injector?
anyone:
So when you guys are running PSI and other fuels, like avg gas or e85, do you still compute your AFR to mid 12's, or?
any of those fuels good for the street with PSi and stock injectors?
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posted January 05, 2010 04:30 PM
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01smokes:
So when you guys are running PSI and other fuels, like avg gas or e85, do you still compute your AFR to mid 12's, or?
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you better keep that A/F at 12.0 or you won't have an engine long .. e85 is oxygenated
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posted January 05, 2010 07:40 PM
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01smokes:
why would e85 take more injector?
anyone:
So when you guys are running PSI and other fuels, like avg gas or e85, do you still compute your AFR to mid 12's, or?
any of those fuels good for the street with PSi and stock injectors?
It takes about 30% more fuel that gas does so you would need a fuel system to support at least 30% more fuel.
I am going to tune mine for 11.2 -11.5 keep it safe with alot of fuel it will help keep things cool and running longer.
The reason im going to run e85 is because it acts like race gas its high octane and it cools everything down big time and it also makes more power than gas does on the same boost levels.
Its kinda like q16 with less octane and there is nothing wrong with running q16/c16 it just gets expensive around here. i could get it for right at 14.50 a gallon, if i were to take the bike out for a ride around town i would most likely burn 2 gallons each ride and i cant get it anywhere but at one place around here.
so i chose to run e85 because i could get it anytime and its 2.30 a gallon the only thing different is putting in injectors, i was already planning on doing a fuel rail, big fuel lines and big pump.
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posted January 06, 2010 10:09 PM
being unleaded is also nice on those wideband sensors too......
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