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posted December 27, 2009 04:51 PM
Best bang for the buck.. stroker , heads, or turbo ?
so what is the best use of your money in building motor on a budget ? It would be interesting to see what makes the most hp per dollar.
I went the stroker route because i melted the cylinders and pistons with too much spray at Maxton. Running nitrous fo 20 seconds is alot tougher than 4 or 5 seconds at a dragstrip. The stroker kit was $1700 bucks and the boring/plating was $500. I kept the stock heads and cams to keep the project on a budget. I will post up my hp gains later this week.
so post up your hp gains and dollars spent and see what makes the most hp/$$
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posted December 27, 2009 05:03 PM
We will be putting Wrongways 1530 kit to the test Tuesday on my dyno .. I for one can't wait to see what it does .. 
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posted December 27, 2009 05:35 PM
Wet Shot lol
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posted December 27, 2009 06:22 PM
I like the dry stuff. pull the head and have springs put in for insurance
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posted December 27, 2009 07:32 PM
reliability wise, I'd say that a turbo is probably the best bang for the buck. Isn't there a muzzy stage1 with like 20k on it running around here somewhere? When's the last me that you heard of a stroker going for that long.
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posted December 27, 2009 07:53 PM
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reliability wise, I'd say that a turbo is probably the best bang for the buck. Isn't there a muzzy stage1 with like 20k on it running around here somewhere? When's the last me that you heard of a stroker going for that long.
My stroker has 60k on and still going strong ..
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posted December 27, 2009 08:07 PM
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posted December 27, 2009 08:20 PM
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reliability wise, I'd say that a turbo is probably the best bang for the buck. Isn't there a muzzy stage1 with like 20k on it running around here somewhere? When's the last me that you heard of a stroker going for that long.
My stroker has 60k on and still going strong ..
I'm talking about your bike... Not your hand there smokin'  . You're not the average builder though.
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posted December 27, 2009 08:21 PM
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Wet Shot lol
that may be the best hp per dollar, but after a meltdown I am not too excited about doing that again
having the stroker is great ... alot of power , all the time . No bottles to fill , great first gear pulls .
And I went 202 mph naked at Loring without having to go over 9500 rpm... hard to tear up a motor at that rpm :-)
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posted December 27, 2009 08:29 PM
When you get a chance, can you throw some pictures of your darts up in another thread? I've been looking for a new wallpaper :P
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posted December 28, 2009 04:59 AM
If a turbo is set up and tuned correctly nothing will perform like them or in my oppinon last as long.
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posted December 28, 2009 05:29 AM
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Wet Shot lol
that may be the best hp per dollar, but after a meltdown I am not too excited about doing that again
Roy, how much were you spraying in the mile when the motor burned up?
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posted December 28, 2009 05:48 AM
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If a turbo is set up and tuned correctly nothing will perform like them or in my oppinon last as long.
yeah low boost and no sustain runs .
LSR is a bitch .
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posted December 28, 2009 05:44 PM
How far is sustained? 9 miles would not be a problem because you cover that distance in a heart beat. My low boost 14 has a heating problem, won't heat. Almost 36k miles now the turbo was installed at 9,500 . Not a single problem. Bearing load is the issue and proper oil for the Busa's that I have seen run. Still running the same oil return pump but you trade dead reliable for ultimate performance. Best time in full legal street trim is a slow 9.45 @ 150.6 mph at corrected altitude 5k feet. Wish I had Smokin14's 1/8 mile, he is awesome on the launch. More like a cannon shell.
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posted December 28, 2009 06:03 PM
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How far is sustained? 9 miles would not be a problem because you cover that distance in a heart beat. My low boost 14 has a heating problem, won't heat. Almost 36k miles now the turbo was installed at 9,500 . Not a single problem. Bearing load is the issue and proper oil for the Busa's that I have seen run. Still running the same oil return pump but you trade dead reliable for ultimate performance. Best time in full legal street trim is a slow 9.45 @ 150.6 mph at corrected altitude 5k feet. Wish I had Smokin14's 1/8 mile, he is awesome on the launch. More like a cannon shell.
yeah .. and the 650 seca turbos ran forever tooo. along with the kawasaki 750 and zuki x85 and the olde cb 650 turdbo ..
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posted December 28, 2009 06:53 PM
Maintenance records are at Plaza Cycle. The mechanics aren't the best but adequate. Will it last forever? Never, the bearings will fail at some point.
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posted December 28, 2009 07:53 PM
is anyone gonna say what their cost or the hp gains are ?
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posted December 28, 2009 08:34 PM
Cost is $6k for the turbo, by far a stroker is the least expensive way to go. How reliable is a 4mm stroke, no idea. The stroker will add piston speed if you use it for daily riding and lower total hours of use. Turbo will add ring pressure when is use and result in the same outcome. How you ride it depends on the life span. Hp gains for the turbo depends on the boost, right now I am running 7 lbs boost with a complete stock motor at 250 rwhp. A slick and good track will make a big difference, power is pain for the engine,clutch and can take its tole.
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posted December 28, 2009 08:34 PM
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is anyone gonna say what their cost or the hp gains are ?
Roy
it ain't worth it unless your a dedicated racer .. and i like racing
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posted December 28, 2009 08:41 PM
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is anyone gonna say what their cost or the hp gains are ?
Roy
I got my turbo kit and fuel system under 3,700 bucks, It will be able to make WAY more power than the motor will be able to handle, put rods and pistons and springs in and go for 400+ JUST MAKE SURE YOUR TUNE IS GOOD AND YOUR RUNNING GOOD GAS
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posted December 28, 2009 08:44 PM
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Good luck and keep the rubber side down.
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posted December 28, 2009 08:52 PM
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I got my turbo kit and fuel system under 3,700 bucks,, put rods and pistons and springs in and go for 400+
thats another 2000.00 + with you doing the labor ..
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posted December 28, 2009 08:52 PM
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Good luck and keep the rubber side down.
By the looks of your MPH it looks like your bike is making a actual 200hp, im guessing you weigh right at 200lbs right?
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posted December 28, 2009 08:54 PM
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I got my turbo kit and fuel system under 3,700 bucks,, put rods and pistons and springs in and go for 400+
thats another 2000.00 + with you doing the labor ..
Yep it adds up fast
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posted December 28, 2009 09:08 PM
Edited By: davej on 29 Dec 2009 05:44
If the track conditions will allow and hook up in the 1/8, times will be far better. Look up ZX-14 street bike at the drags on You Tube and see the problem first hand. Smoking14 would be through the 1/8 before we make the 330. Will not trade the street bike for a drag bike, will never trailer this machine to the strip. Street,drag bikes only need a license plate stuck somewhere to be street legal. Mind you folks,our street 14 turbo weighs 543 lbs wet with 2 gallons of fuel, 743 lbs total weight with rider and I'm not the rider at the strip. Gave that up 30 years ago.
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