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posted February 22, 2010 07:33 PM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 23 Feb 2010 03:40
Max torque - 111.33 ft/lbs @ 7.7K
Max HP (corrected) - 216.20bhp @98760 rpm
Tommy zx14 made 173 on my dyno SAE with 101 TQ ... With a 40 shot and a full bottle it made 216 HP with 126 TQ .. That was on 93 pump gas ..
So if his bike made 173 before the build it would be a 40+ hp gain , that is pretty good if you ask me ...If his made in the low 180s before then it's not so good of a gain ...That is what i asked what the bike made before the build ..
I have to guess he made 7 to 8 HP from the fuel by its self.. If that is the case then you are looking at a 30 HP gain from his build .. We would also have to factor in the ram air that could add 10 hp on the top end of the track .. The motor could well make 226 at speed with the right mapping ..
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posted February 23, 2010 03:14 AM
Edited By: rtbain on 23 Feb 2010 11:31
DynoJet numbers, for Factory Pro numbers multiply by 0.8695.
Applied correction factor was 0.9813 still not sure how its was calculated.
Temp - 76F
Bar - 29.96
%Humidity - 33
Either way you look at it its a strong motor. Remember this is a conservative build. Mild cam, stock buckets, cautious over bore, stock crank, moderate compression. Imagine what you could do with a stroker crank, Busa buckets and a radical cam.
While numbers are an important tuninig tool they are just that, numbers. The real test will be the mile.
Bottom line, Jim's Stage two head gave a 13% increase in hp over a custom mapped motor with a Brock's Alien Head Pipe and PCIII.
The numbers do not do this motor justice. It pulls from the bottom like a freight train and runs hard until the limiter. I might not be fast but the motor is.
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posted February 23, 2010 04:53 AM
Edited By: Y2KZX12R on 23 Feb 2010 13:01
The dyno used was a Factory Pro.
No disapointment here Randy. I'm just never satisfied really. Its a problem I have. 
I guess an easier way of looking at it is....
With the Brocks pipe and remapped with the Power Commander it made 159 hp on this factory pro dyno. Now its at 200 on this dyno.
So basically its a 40 hp gain from what ever dyno you want to use or base number you want to start with.
So Lee, if you started with 173 on a Dynojet dyno it would be about 213 hp.
As Randy pointed out, this is a "mild" compression engine with stock buckets and very streetable cams and tune.
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posted February 23, 2010 05:31 AM
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Bottom line, Jim's Stage two head gave a 13% increase in hp over a custom mapped motor with a Brock's Alien Head Pipe and PCIII.
The numbers do not do this motor justice. It pulls from the bottom like a freight train and runs hard until the limiter. I might not be fast but the motor is.
that 13% hp increase was with the increase over a stock bore motor, or over a 2mm overbore motor with a stock head ?
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posted February 23, 2010 05:40 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 23 Feb 2010 13:41
They are comparing to a stock bore motor. The motor is only 65cc bigger than stock (4.8%), so a 13% power increase seems pretty good to me. 
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posted February 23, 2010 06:28 AM
I'd sure like to make a few passes on it ... I still have not got to make a pass on Roys 1530 motor 
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posted February 23, 2010 06:52 AM
Edited By: SteddyTeddy on 23 Feb 2010 15:06
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I'd sure like to make a few passes on it ... I still have not got to make a pass on Roys 1530 motor
We have to tear your down and start building! LOL
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posted February 23, 2010 07:00 AM
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I'd sure like to make a few passes on it ... I still have not got to make a pass on Roys 1530 motor
We have to tears your down and start building! LOL
Sure !!! As soon as Jim gives me a free head and Muzzy tosses in a free 1530 kit ...  Oh let me not leave out Brock with a new free pipe ...lol.. If i'm going to wish i might as well make it a big wish ..
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posted February 23, 2010 08:37 AM
Edited By: WRECKSHOP on 23 Feb 2010 16:38
Sweet...Thats a whole bunch of horsepower to pick up GUYS !!!! Not to mention the amount of torque it picked up under the curve....I bet this bike is a BEAST...Put a few more miles on her and she should pick up some more power from it getting looser.....Great Job Jim
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posted February 23, 2010 01:25 PM
Andy at Metric cycles in Houston built the engine. He deserves much of the credit too.
I'm developing a stage 3 head now. This will be strictly for a 1570+cc engine. It will need 28 or 28.5mm buckets and +2mm custom valves, bronze seats etc. But its gotta feed 1600cc at 12000 rpm. I'm guessing at this point that it will have to flow about 290 cfm @ 330-340 fps!!!
Stay tuned
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posted February 23, 2010 03:48 PM
Jim you are scaring the busas, play nice lol
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 23, 2010 04:30 PM
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MRX01 is great stuff! Makes good power in an all motor bike. You are wise to use the higher octane fuel. I melted a couple pistons running pump gas in a 14:1 (measured) compression engine.
Great numbers! She should be a runner!
Hey Ryan, did it run lean, or just detonate?? advanced timing? what octane pump?
thx
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted February 23, 2010 09:52 PM
woo-HOO!!
Great hp, Randy!!!!!!!
Texas and Loring, here he comes!!
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ZX14Mike
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posted February 24, 2010 09:24 PM
Randle how is the low RPM power on your bike..............do you think you lost some, gained some or about the same?
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posted February 24, 2010 09:27 PM
Jim, how much RPM/topend power and over rev do you think you gain from the head and cam?
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posted February 25, 2010 03:16 AM
Gains were across the board. Strong gains in torque acroos the board. VERY streetable engine.
Step runs showed gains to limiter. Possible gains if limiter is raised. I am not certian what the valve train will withstand so I am staying with the stock limiter for now.
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posted February 25, 2010 05:22 AM
No dyno printouts?????????
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smokinZX14
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posted February 25, 2010 06:39 AM
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No dyno printouts?????????
No pictures , no dyno charts , no nothing !!!! Just a bunch of gum flapping ..
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posted February 25, 2010 05:03 PM
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No dyno printouts?????????
No pictures , no dyno charts , no nothing !!!! Just a bunch of gum flapping ..
Who pissed in your cornflakes? You saying they are lying?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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smokinZX14
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posted February 25, 2010 05:09 PM
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No dyno printouts?????????
No pictures , no dyno charts , no nothing !!!! Just a bunch of gum flapping ..
Who pissed in your cornflakes? You saying they are lying?
Nobody pissed anywhere ..WE have been asking for pictures and info since this thread was first posted ..You should keep up a little more ..
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posted February 25, 2010 05:31 PM
Maybe Randle will post a dyno graph. I dont have his dyno graph.
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rtbain
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posted February 26, 2010 02:47 AM
Step or sweep?
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posted February 26, 2010 05:05 AM
We just want to see what the curves look like through the entire RPM range.
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posted February 26, 2010 05:13 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Feb 2010 13:14
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Step or sweep?
Something like this:
It won't look exactly like that on a FactoryPro or Superflow, but you get the idea.
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posted February 26, 2010 01:11 PM
RT BAIN, lets see a graph. I agree, peak doesn't impress me, its how it gets there, and how long its up there...
how fat is that curve? 
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