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posted February 10, 2010 03:29 PM
we have a 1mm oversize valve intake and exhaust setup on stock bore with JE pistons and haven't had 1 problem
  
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posted February 10, 2010 04:27 PM
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we have a 1mm oversize valve intake and exhaust setup on stock bore with JE pistons and haven't had 1 problem
was the head milled? .010 was taken off to raise cr
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osr
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posted February 10, 2010 07:11 PM
yeah head was milled -- can't remember how much-- we dd it beginning of last year.
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posted February 16, 2010 09:16 AM
Whats the Latest on the testing results "rtbain" ???
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posted February 16, 2010 03:03 PM
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Thought i would add, that my stock bore turbo 9.5 pistons would not clear oversize intake valves either.
I do not fault JE for that unless a oversize pocket is specified.
The zx14 intake valves run right to the edge of the cylinder at the outermost part from what I recal.
I didn't check but is there even room with the stock valve angle to go oversize on a stock bore without notching the cylinder for clearance?
Theres plenty of room to the bore. Thats not the issue. Its the side of the valve pocket at the deep part. He also thought the angle was off.
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posted February 17, 2010 06:46 AM
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Whats the Latest on the testing results "rtbain" ???
Yeah ... can't wait to see what the gains are....
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posted February 17, 2010 03:16 PM
Baring complications I should have numbers by Monday 22 Feb.
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posted February 17, 2010 03:58 PM
Hope your fealing better Randle.....
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posted February 19, 2010 11:13 AM
 Edited By: rtbain on 19 Feb 2010 19:15
Got enough miles to do full throttle runs. Pump gas with 104 just in case. Logged AFR 13.8 at 11K. Pulls like a freaking train all the way to the limiter. There is horsepower everywhere but gets real strong about 8K. Good golly Miss Molly.
Jim, I don’t have the numbers yet but you done real good. If I get arrested it’s your fault. I'll be easy to find, just look for the old fat guy with wide eyes anda huge grin.
Come on Monday!
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posted February 19, 2010 02:36 PM
I know you mtr is modified, & the 14's come RICH fr the factory, but, Are you still in the negative numbers in the 9750-11k 100%tp range??
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rtbain
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posted February 19, 2010 02:58 PM
This setup uses a PCIII. It was mapped for a Brock's Alien head pipe. The motor is being broken in before final mapping. It’s not a huge surprise that it’s running lean. The AFR from the data logger was 100% TPS in second gear (that’s all the road I had).
The PCIII will be remapped Monday. At that time the ignition module will be tuned as well. While on the dyno the bike will be fed race gas.
I just wanted to relate initial seat of the pants full throttle runs. The untuned motor shows promise to say the least.
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CajunBoyz
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posted February 20, 2010 04:03 AM
After you get your mtr mapped in at correct arf etc, I'd still like to ask if you were still in the negative numbers in the 9750-11k 100%tp range??
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posted February 20, 2010 05:35 AM
You bet. I'll post up after its mapped
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posted February 22, 2010 11:18 AM
Cant wait to hear what the gains are!!!
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posted February 22, 2010 03:40 PM
Edited By: rtbain on 22 Feb 2010 23:46
Got them,
Competition CNC Stage II head, 1mm os valves
LC @105/108
2mm over
CR approximately 14:1
Brocks Alien head pipe
K&N air filter
Straight VP MRX01
PCIII with ignition module.
No power gains from ignition module.
Max torque - 111.33 ft/lbs @ 7.7K
Max HP (corrected) - 216.20bhp @98760 rpm
Torque curve breaks 100 ft/lbs at 5K and remains above 100 ft/lbs until limiter.
Motor is extremely tractable. Horsepower and torque build smooth save for a large jump in torque around 3.5K. The engine is streetable though octane booster is a must, preimium plus 104 booster seemed to work very well. It would be a monster street bike.
Still in negative numbers in the 9.7-11K range. But that is static on the dyno. The stock map seems to be dumping a lot of fuel in the engine at high rpm.
Jim done real good.
Next step is larger throttle bodies.
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posted February 22, 2010 03:41 PM
stock crank?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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wrongway
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posted February 22, 2010 03:44 PM
that is a pretty big HP number... are you going to be running the texas mile or maxton ?
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posted February 22, 2010 03:47 PM
you really think it needs 104? I have run 13.5:1 (measured) on 87 with 5.5 degrees advanced
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted February 22, 2010 05:07 PM
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Got them,
Competition CNC Stage II head, 1mm os valves
LC @105/108
2mm over
CR approximately 14:1
Brocks Alien head pipe
K&N air filter
Straight VP MRX01
PCIII with ignition module.
No power gains from ignition module.
Max torque - 111.33 ft/lbs @ 7.7K
Max HP (corrected) - 216.20bhp @98760 rpm
Torque curve breaks 100 ft/lbs at 5K and remains above 100 ft/lbs until limiter.
Motor is extremely tractable. Horsepower and torque build smooth save for a large jump in torque around 3.5K. The engine is streetable though octane booster is a must, preimium plus 104 booster seemed to work very well. It would be a monster street bike.
Still in negative numbers in the 9.7-11K range. But that is static on the dyno. The stock map seems to be dumping a lot of fuel in the engine at high rpm.
Jim done real good.
Next step is larger throttle bodies.
STD or SAE correction factor?
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posted February 22, 2010 05:26 PM
Thanks rtbain
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rtbain
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posted February 22, 2010 06:18 PM
Edited By: rtbain on 23 Feb 2010 02:19
Stock crank, not sure which correction was used. To be honest I didn't know there was more than one method. Do you have calculations for each method?
I'll be running the Texas Mile, maybe Loring this year. New to the venue so the bike won't be the limiting factor. I need to improve my launch and tuck. I have a lot to do to catch up with the bike's potential.
I used VP MRX01 on Jim's advice. The engine may have been detonating on pump gas. Since I don't have much experience with the engine I would rather use higher octane and keep the engine safe. This build was a significant cash outlay from my point of view. So I am protecting my investment by tuning cautiously, hence the high octane fuel. The results speak for themselves.
I was surprised; the dyno operator was surprised, only Jim seemed a tiny bit disappointed in the numbers.
Bottom line, Jim's stage II head works. This would make one bad ass street bike. For me its too fast for much street riding. I would get arrested.
There is more power in this motor.
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posted February 22, 2010 06:37 PM
What did the bike dyno before the build and did those numbers come from the same dyno ?
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posted February 22, 2010 06:51 PM
Wow! Those are huge numbers!
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KZScott
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posted February 22, 2010 06:55 PM
hold up.... was this on a FACTORY PRO dyno?? or a dynojet?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted February 22, 2010 07:06 PM
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Stock crank, not sure which correction was used. To be honest I didn't know there was more than one method. Do you have calculations for each method?
I'll be running the Texas Mile, maybe Loring this year. New to the venue so the bike won't be the limiting factor. I need to improve my launch and tuck. I have a lot to do to catch up with the bike's potential.
I used VP MRX01 on Jim's advice. The engine may have been detonating on pump gas. Since I don't have much experience with the engine I would rather use higher octane and keep the engine safe. This build was a significant cash outlay from my point of view. So I am protecting my investment by tuning cautiously, hence the high octane fuel. The results speak for themselves.
I was surprised; the dyno operator was surprised, only Jim seemed a tiny bit disappointed in the numbers.
Bottom line, Jim's stage II head works. This would make one bad ass street bike. For me its too fast for much street riding. I would get arrested.
There is more power in this motor.
MRX01 is great stuff! Makes good power in an all motor bike.  You are wise to use the higher octane fuel. I melted a couple pistons running pump gas in a 14:1 (measured) compression engine.
Great numbers! She should be a runner!
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