Bryan Snyder
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posted December 25, 2009 12:15 PM
I wouldn't put stock bore pistons in anything.
   
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smokinZX14
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posted December 25, 2009 01:08 PM
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That's good news Jim ... Now we can use a drop in set of 13.51 pistons with your ported head and cams .Saving money on boring and replate ....Very cool ...Later we can add the big bore or stroker ...Win Win ...
Lee with the amount of work and cost required to put pistons in the zx14, I would not do drop ins.
The only additional cost would be the bore work. Stock bore pistons cost just as much as 2mm.
Remember we have to split the cases and pull the rods, unlike the zx12s and busas.
This may not be an issue for people who does their own work, but it will be for most other who farm out the labor.
Well i don't want an over bore .. I would rather stroke it 4 MM and keep stock bore .. I want my heat to stay in the cylinder and not have it going into my coolant .. But that just me ..I also don't have the cash to do it all at one time , i would start off with just the head and springs and later add cams and stroker ..
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smokinZX14
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posted December 25, 2009 01:18 PM
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I wouldn't put stock bore pistons in anything.
Care to post a little more info Byran .. I'll take a stroker over a bore job anyday , like i said i rather keep the heat in the cylinder and not put it into the coolant with a 2 mm overbore ..If this were a Busa i'd say bore it to death because jugs are cheap and you can get them at Micky Ds with your happy meal ..
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smokinZX14
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posted December 25, 2009 02:00 PM
I'm looking at this from the Avg guy stand point .. I as a lot of people are tight for money and want a good bang for my buck .. Now i know as well as most guys that this head will make more power with an overbore or stroker .. But the flow numbers shown it should pick up power on a stock bore motor in the upper Mid ranges and upper high RPM ranges .. A simply head swap is pretty easy and most guys can pull that off with little problems .. Later they can add a piston kit or stroker when they have the extra cash or need for more speed .. The good part you will allready have to head needed to do the job ..I would love to test one of these heads with just the head and springs ( no cams ) just to see what gains could be had and later add my 4 mm stroker .. Maybe test the cams without the stroker to see the gains .. I'm sure it's all info that we like to have ..
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davej
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posted December 26, 2009 11:08 AM
Is the stroker street worthy? How many hours can you expect? That will increase your piston speed for sure. The Triumphs and Harley with the long strokes suffer badly with increased rpm. Oil?
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posted December 26, 2009 11:34 AM
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I'm looking at this from the Avg guy stand point .. I as a lot of people are tight for money and want a good bang for my buck ....
hmmmm 2,200.00 head
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350.00 dry shot ..
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posted December 26, 2009 12:36 PM
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I'm looking at this from the Avg guy stand point .. I as a lot of people are tight for money and want a good bang for my buck ....
hmmmm 2,200.00 head
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350.00 dry shot ..
I don't like or use spray ..Bottles are for babbies ...The bottle runs out and you have no power .. That 2200 head well never run dry ..The head will giver power from the stating line to finsh line ...Can't do that with the bottle unless you spend a ton more money on timers and other goodies ... Face it speed cost .. What was the cost of your turbo to date ??
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smokinZX14
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posted December 26, 2009 12:42 PM
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Is the stroker street worthy? How many hours can you expect? That will increase your piston speed for sure. The Triumphs and Harley with the long strokes suffer badly with increased rpm. Oil?
Look at it this way , the Busa has 2 mm more stroke than a zx14 and it last just fine on the street .. A stroker done right will last as long as stocker .. The aftermarket pistons made today can easly handle the extra piston speed ..
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posted December 26, 2009 01:06 PM
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I'm looking at this from the Avg guy stand point .. I as a lot of people are tight for money and want a good bang for my buck ....
hmmmm 2,200.00 head
or
350.00 dry shot ..
I don't like or use spray ..Bottles are for babbies ...The bottle runs out and you have no power .. That 2200 head well never run dry ..The head will giver power from the stating line to finsh line ...Can't do that with the bottle unless you spend a ton more money on timers and other goodies ... Face it speed cost .. What was the cost of your turbo to date ??
ill have about $3300 bucks in my turbo kit including a whole new fuel system, and ill have enough power on tap to break any part of the stock motor with it.
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posted December 26, 2009 01:52 PM
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I'm looking at this from the Avg guy stand point .. I as a lot of people are tight for money and want a good bang for my buck ....
hmmmm 2,200.00 head
or
350.00 dry shot ..
I don't like or use spray ..Bottles are for babbies ...The bottle runs out and you have no power .. That 2200 head well never run dry ..The head will giver power from the stating line to finsh line ...Can't do that with the bottle unless you spend a ton more money on timers and other goodies ... Face it speed cost .. What was the cost of your turbo to date ??
you better put down that pipe ..people are cheap these days and for 350.00 you can do what that 2200.00 head can do at a drag track ..so you telling me that a 40 hp gain head is easier to ride than a 40 dry shot .. and that it can't be sprayed in 1st gear unless you buy a controller ..
learning what i've learnt now and if my bike was a track whore only bike .. 350.00 spray kit is all thats required with some extensions .. but then again i'm not track material . but i do know a few old boys that have 100.00 purge kits that run some really fine numbers
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posted December 26, 2009 02:00 PM
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What was the cost of your turbo to date ??
and my biggest mistake there WAS .. Turboing a zx14 instead of a Busa ..
AND NOW ITS TIME FOR A SHOT OF MY 50 YR OLD GLENLIVET SCOTCH .. 
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ZX14Mike
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posted December 26, 2009 02:09 PM
Smokin are the cylinder walls that much thicker on the Busa vs the ZX 14 that that increased heat is not an issue for a Busa but is an issue for a ZX 14?
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ZX14Mike
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posted December 26, 2009 02:11 PM
Just curious how much is it to get the NOS bottle refilled and how long does a bottle last........unless its really cheap seems to me after a few years you could easily have $2200 in costs just like a head mod?
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ZX14Mike
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posted December 26, 2009 02:15 PM
Smokin are you talking Gen 1 Busa's when you said the stroke is 2mm more on a ZX 14..............cause the ZX 14 has a 61mm stroke and the Gen 2 Busa has a 65mm........that would make sense if most of the displacement increase of the new Busa's came from increasing the stroke 2mm
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posted December 26, 2009 02:31 PM
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Just curious how much is it to get the NOS bottle refilled and how long does a bottle last........
4.00 a lb or 125.00 for a 50lb bottle . a 2lb bottle last about 6 to 8 clean runs depending on jet size .. or longer if you only spray when needed
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posted December 26, 2009 02:31 PM
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Just curious how much is it to get the NOS bottle refilled and how long does a bottle last........unless its really cheap seems to me after a few years you could easily have $2200 in costs just like a head mod?
I had about 375 in my nitrous kit with a progressive controller and a window switch, the 2 pound bottles would cost 6 bucks to fill and i could get 4 good passes out of one than i would see the MPH drop off
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smokinZX14
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posted December 26, 2009 02:52 PM
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Smokin are the cylinder walls that much thicker on the Busa vs the ZX 14 that that increased heat is not an issue for a Busa but is an issue for a ZX 14?
I don't have that answer .. I just know with any overbore more heat goes into the coolant and that is not were i want my heat to go ...Heat=HP
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posted December 26, 2009 03:23 PM
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I'm looking at this from the Avg guy stand point .. I as a lot of people are tight for money and want a good bang for my buck ....
hmmmm 2,200.00 head
or
350.00 dry shot ..
I don't like or use spray ..Bottles are for babbies ...The bottle runs out and you have no power .. That 2200 head well never run dry ..The head will giver power from the stating line to finsh line ...Can't do that with the bottle unless you spend a ton more money on timers and other goodies ... Face it speed cost .. What was the cost of your turbo to date ??
you better put down that pipe ..people are cheap these days and for 350.00 you can do what that 2200.00 head can do at a drag track ..so you telling me that a 40 hp gain head is easier to ride than a 40 dry shot .. and that it can't be sprayed in 1st gear unless you buy a controller ..
learning what i've learnt now and if my bike was a track whore only bike .. 350.00 spray kit is all thats required with some extensions .. but then again i'm not track material . but i do know a few old boys that have 100.00 purge kits that run some really fine numbers
..For me it's easier to ride an all motor bike making 210 than one making 210 with spray ...But that just me.. I will go faster with a motor that makes 210 on motor than one with 210 on spray .. I have sprayed a 20 shot out of the hole and it makes for a nice 12:00 Oclock wheely... Remember i'm just over 62 inch wheel base ....A 40 shot would be death out of the hole ...I see 70 inch bikes damn near flip spraying a 40 out of the hole ...
I think you are missing my point ... I have run turbos and i have run spray and i don't like either of them ... What i like is big power but all motor ... I have been building my race engine this way for years and it's what works for me . I would rather be all motor....Like i said that just me ..
I have people ask me to build spray motors , I ask how much spray you want ? They answer 350 400 ... I ask what total HP do you what ? They reply 1000 hp total ... So you want a 600 HP motor and spray it to 1000 HP .. How about this i build you a 1000 HP motor that will last and you can safely spray a 250 shot ... That way if your bottle is empty or you spray sistem fails for some reason you still have 1000 HP on tap... Build your motor any way you please , turbo it , spray it , i could give a crap what you do ..I'm just telling you how i would do to my bike ...
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1badzx12r
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posted December 26, 2009 03:44 PM
smokin the subject is hp vs money . and no matter how it chops that spray is the best bang for the buck !!!!!!!!
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1badzx12r
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posted December 26, 2009 03:47 PM
oh .i'd spend my 1500.00 on a hays clutch .. a polished head would be nice but i'd get more results from the clutch personally .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D66ZEmsqhcM
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Bryan Snyder
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posted December 26, 2009 05:13 PM
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I wouldn't put stock bore pistons in anything.
Care to post a little more info Byran .. I'll take a stroker over a bore job anyday , like i said i rather keep the heat in the cylinder and not put it into the coolant with a 2 mm overbore ..If this were a Busa i'd say bore it to death because jugs are cheap and you can get them at Micky Ds with your happy meal ..
It is silly to buy stock bore pistons. If you are going to buy pistons buy bigger ones. Unless you are planning on running BIG nitrous or a lot of boost..
Especially with the amount of work it takes to put pistons in a ZX-14.
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Bryan Snyder
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posted December 26, 2009 05:19 PM
I also don't know of any stroker motors that are as reliable as stock.
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kaw-rick
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posted December 26, 2009 05:45 PM
They have refill stations for nos. Im just sayin. My ole stockers still kicking. Getting faster everytime out.
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smokinZX14
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posted December 26, 2009 06:05 PM
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I also don't know of any stroker motors that are as reliable as stock.
So a Busa motor that has more stroke stock than a zx14 stock is not reliable ..
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smokinZX14
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posted December 26, 2009 06:08 PM
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oh .i'd spend my 1500.00 on a hays clutch .. a polished head would be nice but i'd get more results from the clutch personally .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D66ZEmsqhcM
That hays clutch would be a good move for your turbo bike ...The head would do you no good, you could just turn up the boost if you want more air ..
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