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posted November 18, 2009 02:05 PM
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i give it a month. then you buy a new brand of turbo. face it your an addict
  
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gilberjj
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posted November 18, 2009 08:27 PM
balls....... I didn't get it. Somebody nabbed it before me! Well, this thread sucks!
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posted November 18, 2009 08:43 PM
well, better luck next time.
You didn't really want to stop buying exhausts anyway, did you? 
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gilberjj
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posted November 18, 2009 08:54 PM
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well, better luck next time.
You didn't really want to stop buying exhausts anyway, did you?
haha..... well the pictured kit went for $1500!!!!
On another note, have you seen the Orient Express kit. Seems very nice. $5400
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posted November 18, 2009 09:15 PM
I wouldn't buy that kit again.
he was ridonkulous to deal with
why don't you like turbonetics turbo's?
There is a local Alamo Industries dealer.
They are a franchised turbo dealer and repair company.
Alamo deals with every turbo imaginable, and they said Turbonetics has better warantee, parts availability, housing design, and equally well designed impellers as any other brand, for 1/2 the price of a GT dbbl brg turbo, a guy can get into their topline a GTK with rebuildable ceramic brg cartridge, and ported volutes!
Only a select few companies have the ability to service garret GT turbo's, and they will not warantee it if shit goes through the turbo.
He said turbonetics will give you grace if a piston crown liquifies and runs through it. If its a repeat your on your own, but they would help the customer 1st time around.
Thats what I was told.
Why don't you like turbonetics?
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posted November 18, 2009 10:10 PM
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I wouldn't buy that kit again.
he was ridonkulous to deal with
why don't you like turbonetics turbo's?
There is a local Alamo Industries dealer.
They are a franchised turbo dealer and repair company.
Alamo deals with every turbo imaginable, and they said Turbonetics has better warantee, parts availability, housing design, and equally well designed impellers as any other brand, for 1/2 the price of a GT dbbl brg turbo, a guy can get into their topline a GTK with rebuildable ceramic brg cartridge, and ported volutes!
Only a select few companies have the ability to service garret GT turbo's, and they will not warantee it if shit goes through the turbo.
He said turbonetics will give you grace if a piston crown liquifies and runs through it. If its a repeat your on your own, but they would help the customer 1st time around.
Thats what I was told.
Why don't you like turbonetics?
Most of my experience is with Toyota Supras..... fyi
I have seen a handful of LARGE Turbonetics on some big v8 cars that sure run the numbers, but with everything from 60-80mm turbos, the turbonetics aren't nearly as efficient as their garrett and borg warner counterparts. Sure turbonetics have great unconditional warranties, but then again so do hyundais and kias. Warranties have never really carried importance with me. All a warranty does is push the price of rebuilding it onto the other buyers. In essence, they are simply charging a little more to cover their work.
Check out the new billet series garretts. There is a stock motor and head supra putting 844 whp at 30psi on a 67mm billet. Full boost by 4k on a 3.0 liter. Show me a turbonetics that does that.
The top cars are using garretts. They are better. They are a little more, but I also believe the borg warner with the extended tip compressors are also more efficient. Garretts also last longer so you don't need to use the warranty nearly as often. I've ran garretts, and I was also very impressed by my Master Power t70. You can get a s480 for $900. That's a 1200 whp capable t6 turbo.
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posted November 19, 2009 04:25 AM
Why does everyone want a turbo bike?? I just don't understand.........
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gilberjj
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posted November 19, 2009 10:43 AM
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Why does everyone want a turbo bike?? I just don't understand.........
That's like asking why you want a zx14 over a perfectly sensible honda interceptor...... cause they are FASTER!!!!!!
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posted November 19, 2009 10:54 AM
POWER!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 19, 2009 01:50 PM
 Edited By: Big_T112 on 19 Nov 2009 21:53
Wait till you see how many holes in the frame you need to weld up. short rods and turbo pistons to make good power. We used the Schnitz injectors and a BEGI rising rate Fuel pressure requlator. Still working on the tunning but have not gone as fast with the turbo kit as we did with the Adams spray bar and NOS kit. But it sure pulls hard. Even with studs in the motor we popped a headgasket Sunday at the track. We hope to have it ironed out by the start of the season.
06 turbo 14 my friends
My old school big block Mr Turbo GS1150ES, simple as it gets. faster than most.
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posted November 19, 2009 03:31 PM
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Why does everyone want a turbo bike?? I just don't understand.........
Obviously you've never ridden one lol
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posted November 19, 2009 04:44 PM
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We used the Schnitz injectors and a BEGI rising rate Fuel pressure requlator. Still working on the tunning .
would you mind going into detail on how exactly this is done? Ive heard of using 2 power commanders ect as the FMU is only good for low boost??(going on what i have read/been told)
thanks 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 20, 2009 09:46 PM
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Why does everyone want a turbo bike?? I just don't understand.........
LOL
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posted November 21, 2009 09:20 AM
I was going to buy a Ferrari but someone beat me too it.
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posted November 21, 2009 11:52 AM
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Why does everyone want a turbo bike?? I just don't understand.........
LOL
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posted November 21, 2009 12:03 PM
By the way Thanks Lyle....... my exhaust looks great,won't start installing until spring time.
Collecting a few things first, plus i just picked up a used Vette to modify also.
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posted November 21, 2009 07:04 PM
Glad to hear you are happy Stu.
After many headaches, including 2 headers that did not fit right, and then having to modify the second one as pictured, I am sure it will work very well for you, especially for the money
I wanted to have the header satin ceramic as well, but the creamic I have access to locally is only rated for 1100, whereas the titanium color is good for 1600f.
BTW, I would advise using the EGT bungs, and an intake temp sensor if you intend to run more than 10 psi, just to keep an eye on inlet and exhaust temps.
I know of about 8 turbo bikes that would still have pistons if they would have known the inlet temps were getting out of control, and thus the combustion and exhaust temps grew to disastrous levels.
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posted November 21, 2009 07:28 PM
is the oem air box temp sensor ok to tap into with a logger for a 12 or 14 turbo application? also what is safe?
thx
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 22, 2009 11:21 AM
Scott, I don't think the oem sensor would work for the temp range, unless you are running real low boost, and a big intercooler... REAL BIG! LOL
I would use a sensor like j type low temp egt sensor that reacts real fast.
A 0-1000f egt sensor. The K type I have used don't even register temp until 250f.
According to Corky Bell, under 300 f is best, but lower is better.
he states the balance is back pressure vs inlet temp, meaning if the intercooler creates too much drag, then the turbo back pressure comes up, holding heat in the combustion chamber.
If the inlet temp is not low enough, then the combustion temps get retarded.
HEAT IN = HEAT OUT.
Thats why alot of guys run the water injection, especially on bikes, as intercoolers are bulky.
The methanol cools the intake charge, as well as staves detonation.
It is not abnormal to see 300f inlet temps on a turbo bike, proper turbo sizing is essential.
Chris Jones uses GT35R and says it has no more turbo lag than a GT30, but is smoother coming on the boost, easier to put big power down, and since a bike is so light, tuning the fuel and ignition can almost elimintae turbo lag on a bike.
This is what i have been told from Chris Jones, I am getting a turbo from him this winter.
He said he is making a new kit that will not require a shortened radiator...
perfect for LSR and street use.
His drag kits require your rad be cut.
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posted November 22, 2009 11:46 AM
Thanks Lyle! Im trying to learn all about this type of stuff for future projects
Seb has some pretty interesting side mounts with air to air that seem to work ok for drag(good for dads bike), but I definately want to get into lsr and water injection or water to air may be something i want to try.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 22, 2009 02:39 PM
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Wait till you see how many holes in the frame you need to weld up. short rods and turbo pistons to make good power. We used the Schnitz injectors and a BEGI rising rate Fuel pressure requlator. Still working on the tunning but have not gone as fast with the turbo kit as we did with the Adams spray bar and NOS kit. But it sure pulls hard. Even with studs in the motor we popped a headgasket Sunday at the track. We hope to have it ironed out by the start of the season.
06 turbo 14 my friends
My old school big block Mr Turbo GS1150ES, simple as it gets. faster than most.
Sweet! 
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