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posted November 12, 2009 04:50 PM
CAN YOU BELEIVE THIS!!!!
I'M STARTING TO HATE ALL POLITICIANS!!!!!! WHAT DOES SHUTTING OFF ACCES TO THESE LANDS HELP?
U.S. representatives request administrative order that would shut off-highway vehicles out of 9.4 million acres in Utah
PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- The U.S. representative from New York who is sponsoring U.S. House bill H.R. 1925, which would close 9.4 million acres to off-highway vehicle (OHV) riding in Utah, has sent a letter to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar requesting the secretary use his administrative powers to close those lands, the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) reports.
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-N.Y.), along with 88 other U.S. representatives who joined Hinchey in sending the letter, is asking for the administrative action while the House debates H.R. 1925, also called America's Red Rock Wilderness Act of 2009.
Not a single representative from Utah supports H.R. 1925, which would designate 9.4 million acres managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management as Wilderness.
Once land is designated as Wilderness, no vehicles, including motorcycles, ATVs or bicycles, are allowed on that land. Even horseback riders would be banned.
"It is outrageous that Rep. Hinchey would attempt to bypass congressional procedures to put into motion the intentions of a bill that lacks the support of even one representative from the state that bill would impact," said Ed Moreland, AMA vice president for government relations. "This attempt is even more shocking in the sense that much of the land in question does not even meet the definition of Wilderness included in federal law. According to the Wilderness Act of 1964, Wilderness can only apply to lands 'retaining its primeval character and influence, without permanent improvements or human habitation.'"
Included in the 9.4 million acres that the representative from New York wants to close forever to Utah's OHV community are existing OHV riding areas around Moab, the San Rafael Swell and Chimney Rock. These popular OHV areas represent some of the most important remaining OHV recreation areas in Utah, and are some of the most popular with responsible OHV riders. The targeted areas also include existing roads and developments.
H.R. 1925 would be particularly harmful coming on the heels of the recently enacted Omnibus Public Land Management Act, which closed more than 2 million acres of public lands. This vast Wilderness bill would take away additional recreation opportunities that stimulate the local economies and are currently enjoyed by local residents and visitors alike.
The AMA is calling on all motorcyclists and OHV enthusiasts to help stop H.R. 1925. The fastest way to reach your U.S. representative is a telephone call. You can find contact information for your elected officials by entering your zip code at AmericanMotorcyclist.com > Rights > Issues and Legislation. A pre-written e-mail is also available to send to your representative by following the "Take Action" option after entering your information at the above website.
To see the Utah delegation and Ranking Member Doc Hastings speak out against H.R. 1925, click here: http://republicans.resourcescommittee.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=147628
The Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands of the U.S. House Committee on Natural Resources held a hearing on Oct. 1 to consider H.R. 1925. To view a video recording of that hearing, click here: http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.php?option=com_jcalpro&Itemid=27&extmode=view&extid=292
To read the AMA's press release on the subcommittee hearing, click here: http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/news/story.asp?id=1375
About the American Motorcyclist Association
Since 1924, the AMA has protected the future of motorcycling and promoted the motorcycle lifestyle. AMA members come from all walks of life, and they navigate many different routes on their journey to the same destination: freedom on two wheels. As the world's largest motorcycling organization, the AMA advocates for motorcyclists' interests in the halls of local, state and federal government, the committees of international governing organizations, and the court of public opinion. Through member clubs, promoters and partners, the AMA sanctions more motorsports competition and motorcycle recreational events than any other organization in the world. AMA members receive money-saving discounts from dozens of well-known suppliers of motorcycle services, gear and apparel, bike rental, transport, hotel stays and more. Through its Motorcycle Hall of Fame Museum, the AMA preserves the heritage of motorcycling for future generations.
  
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posted November 12, 2009 05:14 PM
Try living in California!!
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posted November 12, 2009 05:17 PM
Typical...No one hunts on the Kings land..
We are headed into a US vs THEM mentality of a central based "We know what's go for you socialist government"
Stop it now or forever hold you peace till the uprising 
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posted November 12, 2009 06:00 PM
Fuckin big brother getting into everything.
WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO STAND UP!!!
I used to go to Glamis in Cali until they started charging and telling you where and when you could ride.Now I just run the dragstrip and the hiway with no plate,go ahead and photo radar this...lol
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posted November 12, 2009 09:59 PM
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Typical...No one hunts on the Kings land..
We are headed into a US vs THEM mentality of a central based "We know what's go for you socialist government"
Stop it now or forever hold you peace till the uprising
While I agree with you in part, we have to strike a balance between conservation and freedom. In most instances, I believe the libbies are over the top controlling, and I believe many of our leaders have a socialist mindset where they believe we can no longer think for ourselves. The government is NOT put in place to protect us from ourselves. Stay out of our lives, but preserve our land for the betterment of the nation........ if that makes sense.
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posted November 13, 2009 11:09 AM
 Edited By: dubious on 13 Nov 2009 19:11
Ok, I could understand limiting use in conservation area's such as National parks, environmentaly sensitive area's and redwood forrests and such, but much of the place they are talking about already has established riding area's in lands that will never sustain any more vegetation than it already does. Basically the soil will not habituate growth.
Its much like taking away your local dragstrip, so the grass can grow back on the pavement.
Oh, put your stock exhaust, cats included, remove the pc3 and reinstall your flies, cause thats polution, you tampered with your emissions equipment.
There is no balance with these people. If is not vegetation conservation, then its noise and air polution.
Truth be told the big industry and SUV you drive, or they drive contribute more to pollution than your bike ever will.
There are so many different more effective ways to reduce emissions its not even funny.
But we the off road enthusiasts and motorcyclists are a small group, with small pockets, and easy targets.
in the grand scheme, MINISCULE Easy targets,
greenpeace etal would be much more effective chasing the superstores to ban plastic bags, the dairy group to ban plastic cartons, the food, and toy industry to ban plastic packaging.
Much of those hydrocarbons created much CO to produce, alot of energy to make, besides the oil in the product itself, and then get wasted in a landfill.
Thats the real problem, then the hummer you bought your wife that gets 8 mpg, and only one person riding around in the damn thing.
These are the big social problems that will result in the biggest environmental impact.
duhhhhh.
My sister is a green activist here in Canada, and I have been feeding her an earful everytime I see her.
The problem is the consumer. themselves the tree huggers included.
The world is full of control freaks, miserable people, hypocrits and retards.
In the big scheme, my motorcycle and the places I ride it; really have no impact on the real problems that need to be corrected, to have any impact.
Chase the problems the majority population consumes and therefor creates and supports everyday.
we will be infinately further ahead in the end then.
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posted November 13, 2009 11:30 AM
I've heard the single largest producer of greenhouse gasses is from beef production.
interesting food for thought...... literally!
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posted November 13, 2009 01:29 PM
America voted "change".
Now get used to a bunch of liberals taking everything in the name of "Green", including your wallet in taxes.
Obama's "complete transformation of America" he promised during his campaign has begun. Like it.
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posted November 13, 2009 01:48 PM
quote:
America voted "change".
Now get used to a bunch of liberals taking everything in the name of "Green", including your wallet in taxes.
Obama's "complete transformation of America" he promised during his campaign has begun. Like it.
lol
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posted November 13, 2009 06:10 PM
This is quite the statement in the land of the free. I think most know me enough that I like striking the middle ground.
Before I do I think it's important to point out what's going on here (Playing Psych-Boy here).
In order to really protect the lands so many believe need protecting we really need to know who is making the changes to the land and what are their motives. My personal point of view is not important but the people who are making the change should be honest and up front with their objective.
Some Greens (no offense was applied here, however my point of view will be deciding factor if "Green" is offense speech or not) think all land should be protected and humans are almost always a Destructive force therefore no land should ever be used for recreation. If this was the objective of the lawmakers then no matter how unfair it seems its law.
If there is an endangered animal or otherwise that a bike (or human in general) could destroy then maybe the lawmaker defaulted towards protection. Still it’s law.
Here is my caution to all, the objective (in my humble opinion) of the current Congress is to divide the people. As long as we continue to fight with each other we will not focus on a reasonable solution. We must do our best not to play this game. Election have consequences, the best advice I can give is write your Congressperson make sure they know how you feel. This is not just a feel good sentence, it is everyone’s job to make sure their representatives understand how the people in their district feel. It will make a difference I can promise you this.
One more point, if your representative is supporting your view make sure they know that as well, it will re-enforce their/your position.
In the hope this thread will be respected I will not give my opinion. Just look for the division in the future remember there is NO VALUE ADDED IN DIVISION.
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KillaKAW4LIFE
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posted November 13, 2009 07:41 PM
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America voted "change".
Now get used to a bunch of liberals taking everything in the name of "Green", including your wallet in taxes.
Obama's "complete transformation of America" he promised during his campaign has begun. Like it.
Steve while I am fed up, what does Obama have to do with this. He didn't make that law or try to pass it. I was another Arsehole
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posted November 13, 2009 08:11 PM
Edited By: dubious on 14 Nov 2009 04:12
Hi Mile 14
I agree with your statements. A divided country is a broken country.
When people get in a shit throwing contest, everyone wears it... who is the winner?
One of the best statements I have heard in my career was
" bring solutions, not problems. I can not fix all the problems, but i can offer your solutions"
Fair enough I think.
If you don;t like something, present a way to fix it.
bitching is not conducive nor constructive and not the answer.
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posted November 14, 2009 02:33 AM
Thanks Dubious,
One other comment I should have added. Do not Compromise your principles. This is a sneaky gang who will put in the framework (under a Compromise) only to turn it on later. If you think all lands should be free then so be it. After all this is just as much your country as it is theirs.
Your way defaults to freedom their way does not. Think of your Children before the decision is made. Their way preserves something the kids will never see!!! Where is the common sense in today's Government? Will there be abuses? Yes penalize those people not the entire population end of story.
I'd like to see end dates in the bills proposed, cause as you know government has been known to make mistakes.
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posted November 14, 2009 04:54 AM
They ride this wagon to protect the land from commercial development which I Believe they should. Unfortunately they are green extremist and go to far without sharing any designated areas for ORV.
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posted November 14, 2009 06:51 AM
Flame On,
Build the bill as you stated make sure the point you feel passionate about is CLEAR. However it is just as important to Understand why the bill is being written and who is doing the writing. Killaaws Point (I think) is this bill goes too far. Further the Representatives of the States it will affect DO NOT WANT IT. Those Representatives should be respected.
As I said know who is writing the bill and what are their opinions. Note: As for me I am a strong states rights person, that said I also have a passion for that belief as it applies here.
Rob
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posted November 14, 2009 11:00 AM
Edited By: SteveWFL on 14 Nov 2009 19:42
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quote:
America voted "change".
Now get used to a bunch of liberals taking everything in the name of "Green", including your wallet in taxes.
Obama's "complete transformation of America" he promised during his campaign has begun. Like it.
Steve while I am fed up, what does Obama have to do with this. He didn't make that law or try to pass it. I was another Arsehole
Obama is over the FEDS and the Federal land and pushing conservation/green agenda at any cost.
Any manager for any government agency has to blow the prez and his agneda to go anywhere
We need to put them all out of office, starting with Miss Nancy
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posted November 15, 2009 06:27 AM
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The problem is the consumer. themselves the tree huggers included.
The world is full of control freaks, miserable people, hypocrits and retards.
+ 1
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America voted "change".
Now get used to a bunch of liberals taking everything in the name of "Green", including your wallet in taxes.
Obama's "complete transformation of America" he promised during his campaign has begun. Like it.
and another +1
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posted November 15, 2009 06:30 AM
Why did the buck always stop with Bush and him getting all the blame but the same doesn't count for Obama.
Oh that's right we're dealing with liberals.
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posted November 15, 2009 08:00 AM
Steve,
As promised I will do my best to stay middle ground. Your thoughts are respected. Still I think it is important not to divide, However (I love conjunctions and I'm not the only one listen to the President) this is your belief and hiding that is not fair to you.
As an armchair political observer I'd like to express that defeating the current Congress must come with Ideas & Common Sense. This Objective is actually pretty easy seeing the current crop is so Progressive. Remember dividing the people is their strategy and if not careful we will fall into their trap then be in worse shape after 2010.
After January the Congress will be forced to apply Common Sense to their governing in the hope that we forget their true objectives. Do Not Forget how you feel right now if you really want change.
My opinion is that the election of 2010 will be one for the books. I think that change will happen but I don't think (at least I hope) the Republicans will be the winners here. Whether it's the Independents, Conservatives or the Libertarians it is time we the people stand and be counted.
One Note: We must make sure the new Representatives do not swing too far in the other direction or I can promise you we will be in the same situation as we are in today but it will be worse because then the Reps will believe they will have a mandate and stopping them will be near impossible.
Rob
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