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posted October 19, 2009 03:03 PM
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I really would just like to race these two guys . You both are on your "A" game . I have been searching for some fast 14s to run . No money involved just some fun runs . Is it safe to say these are the fastest stock motored 14s in the US??????
The fastest ? No i don't think so ...The really fast guys don't give out their numbers ...
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smokinZX14
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posted October 19, 2009 03:26 PM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 19 Oct 2009 23:27
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im finding it very hard to believe that those are stock motors running NA... huge congrats if thats the case. you guys are just flat out flying on the 14s.
Well Scott you know me pretty well , i have been here from the start of the zx14 and was one of the first to runs 8s on a stock motor 3 years ago... You have read every mod that has been done to my 06 zx14 over the last 3 years .. I have shown the tickets, videos and the mods right here on bikeland .. I never done a mod and not posted a hole story about the that mod ... My motor on my 06 zx14 as well as my 09 zx14 have never even had the valve cover removed ..Hell man i haven't even checked the valve lash after 1500 run on my 06 ...I just got the 09 and have 1000 miles on the motor , i don't have the money to open the motor up and i damn sure don't have the time . I posted the last dyno numbers on my bike a few weeks ago (177 hp) hardly numbers of a built motor ..If you think i have hidden spray on my bike i would like to know where i would hide it on a zx14 ..Anyone that races with me or knows me knows i hide nothing...
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smokinZX14
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posted October 19, 2009 03:30 PM
Tim (Vmax Guru ) got some videos of a few of my passes .. They are High Def so he is making me a CD that i should have in a week or so ..I'll post them up when i get them ..
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14nooby
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posted October 19, 2009 03:36 PM
+1 Smokin saw under my seat and saw my bike with the tank off. He would certainly rat me out if I had anything to hide from you guys. I know I am new on here but I assure you my engine is untouched as well.
- Scott, you have put up some great info on the dragbike spot. Thanks for that but some of it has to do with riding ability as well. Your bike runs 155 mph and has been 8.90's. Take a peek at Smokins slips with the same MPH he ran an 8.74. If his motor was built it would certainly be running faster than 154 MPH. I do mean all of this respectfully by the way.
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Shane661
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posted October 19, 2009 03:40 PM
Yeah, and I had posted another slip of a pro running 8.62@155 on a cold day. So it is possible to turn these times. We all know that Lee's bike is stock...we can give Nooby the benefit of any doubt. 
Just to make it clear, I didn't question the ET at all. I just wanted to investigate the mph, because hp equals mph. I was thinking that a stock motor bike hitting 130 in 1/8th would be wicked fast...but now everyone will just yawn.
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smokinZX14
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posted October 19, 2009 03:44 PM
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+1 Smokin saw under my seat and saw my bike with the tank off. He would certainly rat me out if I had anything to hide from you guys. I know I am new on here but I assure you my engine is untouched as well.
- Scott, you have put up some great info on the dragbike spot. Thanks for that but some of it has to do with riding ability as well. Your bike runs 155 mph and has been 8.90's. Take a peek at Smokins slips with the same MPH he ran an 8.74. If his motor was built it would certainly be running faster than 154 MPH. I do mean all of this respectfully by the way.
That is the truth , i saw under Noobys seat and fuel tank ..No spray ..
In fact Nooby asked me about the spray setup on Tommys bike ...We took Tommys body work off and showed Nooby how i set up Tommy spray system ...It's the same system i used for a short time on my 06 to run 8.50s ..
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SteddyTeddy
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posted October 19, 2009 03:58 PM
What everyone has to realize is that down here we run our fastest times during, for most of you, your winter. During the summer months our little group does nothing but work on our riding skills and try and maintain the times we ran over the winter. By this time of year we are a little bit better and ready to throw down new personal best.
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smokinZX14
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posted October 19, 2009 04:04 PM
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What everyone has to realize is that down here we run our fastest times during, for most of you, your winter. During the summer months our little group does nothing but work on our riding skills and try and maintain the times we ran over the winter. By this time of year we are a little bit better and ready to throw down new personal best.
+ 1 That is the truth ... Hey Teddy you ready for some dyno time ?? Dyno is up and ready for some big numbers .. 
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biggmoinc
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posted October 19, 2009 04:28 PM
Awesome stuff guys!!!!!!!!!! I need to get a 14 this year, are there goin to b ne hp difference in this upcomin year 14? If i had a built 14motor on spray i still couldnt run the times u guys do, lol, the riding skills yall have are very very good!!!! What yall cost to teach, lol, better yet how much it cost for yall to teach me on ur bikes, lol, Just kiddin, goood stuff guys
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KZScott
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posted October 19, 2009 06:19 PM
im not saying that you guys are lying, i just find it hard to beileve that you are pulling off those kinds of times (im looking at the slips and saying damn... my bike didnt pull that much mph on nitrous in the 1/8 last yr). without a shadow of a doubt you guys have more skill than me.  ive had 3 short seasons doing this and im no pro yet. im happy with how my bike runs with what i have done to it, but i would rather it mph like yours! my best has been 124 in the 1/8, theres a huge jump in acceleration to get up to 130 ish from there. i went 128 last yr with nitrous on a different setup(was running around 121 then)
my 12 is going on a diet and hopefully ill pick up some torque this winter to try to keep up, but my skill level will need to be brought up a level too to compete with that.
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posted October 19, 2009 06:21 PM
something i noticed, why dont your bikes pick up 30 mph on the back half? just curious... they are flying, but isnt it normal to pick up 30 or more mph on the back half?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
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posted October 19, 2009 06:27 PM
Scott...Take a ride over to Maryland International Raceway to see what goes on at the Jason Miller Streetbike Seminars...
Then go to Braidenton at the end of January or February and you'll see similar ETs...
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08green
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posted October 19, 2009 06:36 PM
What is so hard to believe about a couple of light weights with good runnin bikes and tons of seat time going fast in cool weather...
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smokinZX14
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posted October 19, 2009 06:37 PM
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something i noticed, why dont your bikes pick up 30 mph on the back half? just curious... they are flying, but isnt it normal to pick up 30 or more mph on the back half?
30 on the back half ? I wish ..Mine allways runs 27 to 28 on the back half ..It doesn't matter what fuel i use either .. Built motor might pull 30+ but not a stock motored zx14 that i have seen ..
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KZScott
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posted October 19, 2009 07:04 PM
my 12 would pick up 30 mph with a stock motor and a pipe, sometimes it will pick up 31-32 now depending on conditions. i guess the 14 is more of a front half machine where the 12 isnt without a lot of work
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted October 19, 2009 08:41 PM
last week at the track a good friend of mines mph was a little to high to believe. he got a 2006 zx14 . mph was around 155-156 hard to believe he is not spraying. he wouldnt show me the full slip tho lol.
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kaw now
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posted October 19, 2009 10:58 PM
Smokin I think I got the quotes right you say you make 177 hp and bike and rider 650lbs about 8.76 in quarter. I punched the numbers into this HP calculator and it shows you making an extra 14 hp than your dyno. I know all dynos are not equal and I didn't make the calculator.
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kaw now
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posted October 19, 2009 11:09 PM
Wait this update just in. Here's another calculator that seems to contradict the other one by just a bit
Now I have to know the HP loss from the crank to the wheel on a chain drive motorcycle.
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Shane661
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posted October 20, 2009 03:11 AM
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my 12 would pick up 30 mph with a stock motor and a pipe, sometimes it will pick up 31-32 now depending on conditions. i guess the 14 is more of a front half machine where the 12 isnt without a lot of work
Scott, how much you pick up on the back half can also be affected by how you ride the bike. Look at this example from a very hot day in August:
Not great air, right?
Let's look at this pass:
Terrible ET at 10.36....but a 34 mph back half. When I run a 9.0 my back half is around 26-28 mph.
When you look at the timeslips, you have to look at the whole picture. You can't compare apples and oranges.
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posted October 20, 2009 03:29 AM
Punch in Noobys numbers
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Shane661
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posted October 20, 2009 03:32 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Oct 2009 11:34
I really don't see what you guys are disputing about the ET's? Smokin ran into the 8.70's a long time ago...on a shorter bike than Nooby's. Hell, he did it the same day as Nooby on pump gas. So what do you expect with MR9?
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SteddyTeddy
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posted October 20, 2009 05:41 AM
Dyno HP does not equal 150mph Ram Air HP!
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eklipse636
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posted October 20, 2009 06:32 AM
Very true steddy teddy. I have a off topic question since that was brought up. When you get your bike tuned on a dyno, wouldn't the a/f be messed up when the ram air is added in real life riding?
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SteddyTeddy
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posted October 20, 2009 06:43 AM
I believe most tuners map it just a tad rich on the top end to compensate.
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Shane661
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posted October 20, 2009 06:52 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Oct 2009 16:06
The bike senses manifold pressure and will make adjustments as far as I know. As to how accurate those adjustments are it is not possible to say without data logging.
There are two pressure sensors on the bike...a manifold pressure sensor and a barometric pressure sensor. Remember, this is not a turbo. On the 14 you will likely be looking at .5 psi or less, I'm guessing.
It's hard to build a lot of pressure in a perforated box.
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