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posted September 22, 2009 06:10 PM
Wrong spring in Turbo Wise T-3/4
Always wondered why the turbo was so slow in the 1/8. Installed a 7# spring today and the difference was night and day. Made 7# at 7K and a new 14 ensued. It's at Salt Lake Motor Sports now to get remapped. Matt looked at the old spring and was puzzled why it made as much hp as dyno'd, but the power was made at the end of the rpm range. That explains why we had to short shift to keep wheel spin down. Night of Fire is this Friday at RMR. It's now a different machine, hope to do much better than 9.59 @ 148.29. This is a true street machine with 34K + miles.
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posted September 22, 2009 06:52 PM
mines faster with a 300lb rider on 100 degree days with 41k miles .. its really flys with a 140lb rider ..
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posted September 22, 2009 07:10 PM
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mines faster with a 300lb rider on 100 degree days with 41k miles .. its really flys with a 140lb rider ..
. Just glad to get into the nines at high altitude. Street bikes are usually race bikes in cloak. Street legal should mean you can pass inspection for a road bike.
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posted September 22, 2009 07:17 PM
well would a 1200 mile road trip with saddle bags count as a road bike or touring bike .. i do use extensions but i like the smoother highway ride with them on .. yeah i lose some cornering but my back pain thanks me ..
but i do know what your talking about ..with the term "streetbike" at the track .. i would like to see some them guys go on a 100 mile ride on them "streetbikes"
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posted September 22, 2009 07:18 PM
boost WILL make up for elevation what is your elevation anyways and what track do you race at because as far as i know the track i race at and Bandimere are the highest tracks around
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posted September 22, 2009 07:22 PM
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well would a 1200 mile road trip with saddle bags count as a road bike or touring bike .. i do use extensions but i like the smoother highway ride with them on .. yeah i lose some cornering but my back pain thanks me ..
but i do know what your talking about ..with the term "streetbike" at the track .. i would like to see some them guys go on a 100 mile ride on them "streetbikes"
So true and glad to see someone else that is a true road rider, congrats.
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posted September 23, 2009 01:12 AM
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well would a 1200 mile road trip with saddle bags count as a road bike or touring bike .. i do use extensions but i like the smoother highway ride with them on .. yeah i lose some cornering but my back pain thanks me ..
but i do know what your talking about ..with the term "streetbike" at the track .. i would like to see some them guys go on a 100 mile ride on them "streetbikes"
I agree. Streetbike ought to mean road-legal, we used to make them negotiate a measured block of wood too and if they grounded, or weren't road-legal in any other way, they went in the racing class. They still got their run but the true road bikes had the chance of a win in their own class.
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posted September 23, 2009 04:16 AM
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I agree. Streetbike ought to mean road-legal, we used to make them negotiate a measured block of wood too and if they grounded, or weren't road-legal in any other way, they went in the racing class. They still got their run but the true road bikes had the chance of a win in their own class.
yeap to enter the Street ET class i think we should have to ride around the block ..then race ..
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posted September 23, 2009 04:28 AM
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well would a 1200 mile road trip with saddle bags count as a road bike or touring bike .. i do use extensions but i like the smoother highway ride with them on .. yeah i lose some cornering but my back pain thanks me ..
but i do know what your talking about ..with the term "streetbike" at the track .. i would like to see some them guys go on a 100 mile ride on them "streetbikes"
I agree. Streetbike ought to mean road-legal, we used to make them negotiate a measured block of wood too and if they grounded, or weren't road-legal in any other way, they went in the racing class. They still got their run but the true road bikes had the chance of a win in their own class.
I don't think they should be considered streetbikes unless they are made to carry a 300 lb. passenger in heavy traffic, in over 100 degree outside temps, for 28.2 miles, while 1 quart low on oil.... 
There are plenty off fully streetable bikes runnng low 9's, high 8's. It's usually the slower guys complaining about ground clearance and passenger pegs. Coincidence?
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posted September 23, 2009 04:50 AM
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There are plenty off fully streetable bikes runnng low 9's, high 8's. It's usually the slower guys complaining about ground clearance and passenger pegs. Coincidence?
Shane
not at the races i've been to ..when tech kick one out they cry like babies about how unfair tech is .. or better yet the racers that shows up with no rotors on their bike and then cry about the tracks shutdown area..
the faster guys are always picking races with the slower guys . but won't enter their class the bike was built for ..
but i agree on the true streetbikes that are running 8's and 9's
but just having a non O-ring chain makes for a sorry streetbike .. unless you carrying a oil jug with you to lube it every 50 miles
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posted September 23, 2009 07:54 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 23 Sep 2009 15:59
Like my bike for example...no problem with 100 mile street rides. No headlight...so what? I don't ride it at night anyway (I have terrible night vision). If I added a headlight it would probably help the bike 60 ft...it's real light up front.
For me, it is a streetbike...rides fine in traffic, etc. I'm just not into touring or riding two up...in fact, I don't care for street riding much anymore. If I were to build it as a race-only bike, it would be a lot more narrowly focused.
Now, Pro Street bikes...to me, that is kind of a joke...I couldn't run my bike in that class because it is missing a headlight...even though it is 100x more streetable.
I'm just saying it is rare that you hear about the faster bike racer complaining that the slow bike had a headlight and signals.
Sample trackside dialogue:
"Yeah, he handed me my ass by .25...but I have self cancelling turn signals!!"
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posted September 23, 2009 09:57 AM
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boost WILL make up for elevation what is your elevation anyways and what track do you race at because as far as i know the track i race at and Bandimere are the highest tracks around
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posted September 23, 2009 04:21 PM
shane in texas if you don't have a headlight .. you have a ticket .. cops even pull over bikes like the 04 zx10 and yammies with the 2 headlites with 1 working and 1 off ... high beam is 1 lite and low is the other lite and both lites are only on when high beam is on .... the cops think the off light is defective and will hassle you over it
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posted September 23, 2009 04:23 PM
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shane in texas if you don't have a headlight .. you have a ticket .. cops even pull over bikes like the 04 zx10 and yammies with the 2 headlites with 1 working and 1 off ... high beam is 1 lite and low is the other lite and both lites are only on when high beam is on .... the cops think the off light is defective and will hassle you over it
Yeah, it's not going to pass inspection in Va either...maybe in the winter I will put a small light up there.
I think it is a $50 fine....no points.
We don't need signals, though...
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posted September 23, 2009 04:45 PM
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yeah its the same here headlite and taillite only .. must have horn .. don't know how much ticket is ..never got 1 but i do own a 05zx10
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posted September 23, 2009 04:49 PM
also effective as of 9-01-09 you must take MSF to get an M endorsement on your license if you ride a bike .. or when pulled over your bike is towed to impound ..
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posted September 23, 2009 06:04 PM
It wasn't the wrong spring, just one that was rusted and had lost length. Got the results on the dyno with a 7# spring today. Should have asked what was the difference between 100%_012.drf Max Power + 250.42 Max Torque =137.65
Then below in red was 7 lb spring_001.drf Max Power+238.05 Max Torque+131.72. ? What does that mean. Hp soared and torque kinda flattened out after 7K. Made 100 hp and 100 ft lbs at 6K. at 6.7K made 150hp. 200 hp at 8K, then 250 from 10-11K. Still though with the crap spring made 9.59 @ 148.29.
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posted September 23, 2009 07:12 PM
Edited By: 01smokes on 24 Sep 2009 04:31
can you post up your actual numbers and not your corrected numbers?
my bike here in ABQ NM makes makes a actual 133hp but my corrected numbers for sea level are 164
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posted September 23, 2009 07:19 PM
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can you post up your actual numbers and not your corrected numbers?
my bike here in ABQ NM makes makes a actual 133hp but my corrected numbers for sea levle are 164
That is the dyno sheet numbers off the new Dynojet Research from Salt Lake Motor Sports.
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posted September 23, 2009 08:34 PM
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can you post up your actual numbers and not your corrected numbers?
my bike here in ABQ NM makes makes a actual 133hp but my corrected numbers for sea levle are 164
That is the dyno sheet numbers off the new Dynojet Research from Salt Lake Motor Sports.
next time you dyno ask for corrected #s and actual #s that the bike made right there
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posted September 23, 2009 09:12 PM
The red line was the power output. 133hp? That is no where where factory specs. Can you give more info?
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posted September 23, 2009 09:58 PM
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The red line was the power output. 133hp? That is no where where factory specs. Can you give more info?
well up here in ABQ at the elevation we are at here my bike made 133hp due to the elevation, and the dyno also showed a corrected number a number that i would have made if i were at sea level that number was164hp
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posted September 23, 2009 10:12 PM
huh, here we have guys with rear mounted radiators to make room for the intercooler, disfunctional rear brake, no lights at all, and a tag from when it was registered stock, that they would never get with those mods, etc etc... multistage lockup, 12 inch arm, 3" ground clearance, etc etc... the bike doubtfully has ever seen a street since the turbo, runs 7.6 @180+ mph... and is considered prostreet.... serious bike, and a real sandbagger IMO.
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