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posted September 13, 2009 04:37 PM
AGM Battery Question
Has anyone used a AGM style battery for the ZX-14? I was sent a link about this new ( new to me )
Absorbed Glass Mat battery vs Gel or regular acid filled batteries. Honda has a Gel Filled
battery for one of theri V-Twins that has more power and fits gen1 Busa. So i was looking
for a bettery for my 14 before it quits. Hoping that someone here has found a better street
battery for the 14.
  
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posted September 13, 2009 04:41 PM
We've found the best battery- Speedcell!
1.7 lbs. and much smaller than the oem- killer mod IMHO.
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posted September 13, 2009 04:51 PM
I saw that on Shans's Race bike. I ride and go on 1000 mile trips to the Mountains. I have
GPS,Radar Dector going for hours at a time. I also have a second ZX-14 radiator fan too, not
sure that small Speedcell is good for long trips. Don't care about extra weight, looking for more
cranking amps and a long life.
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posted September 14, 2009 10:01 AM
Any guys with a speedcell want to comment on this?
I'm thinking of getting one when this battery dies , or is sabotaged so my wife doesnt have a say! How much do they cost? Less than a wife?
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posted September 14, 2009 10:44 AM
How is the Speedcell made? Gel filled or? the AGM style battery is the newest type of battery.
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posted September 14, 2009 01:09 PM
These are tha batteries that I've had on my bike other than oem-
the Oddyssey PC310 and the Speedcell
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posted September 14, 2009 01:37 PM
Are they gel filled and sealed or ?? I have read that the AGM designed battery has more power per size . The fist two batteries on the chair look like acid filled and sealed, thanks for the pictures
I hope someone knows if a Gel filled 12V for a different brand bike will work on a ZX-14.
Or someone knows about the Glass Mat battery that will fit in a ZX-14.
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posted September 14, 2009 03:07 PM
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These are tha batteries that I've had on my bike other than oem-
the Oddyssey PC310 and the Speedcell
Did the PC310 fit without any problems?
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posted September 14, 2009 06:17 PM
Geez that speedcell battery is small 
I like the oddessy battery , I have used those on other bike and will use one on the 14 when it dies. It still has the original battery form 06 running strong !
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posted September 14, 2009 06:35 PM
The PC310 fires up the 14 without issues but is much
weaker for repetitive cranks. Weighs exactly half than the stock.
The Speedcell is cat's ass! Over 10 lbs. in weight savings and as
strong as the oem- has worked fine on my bike.
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posted September 14, 2009 06:55 PM
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The PC310 fires up the 14 without issues but is much
weaker for repetitive cranks. Weighs exactly half than the stock.
The Speedcell is cat's ass! Over 10 lbs. in weight savings and as
strong as the oem- has worked fine on my bike.
Do you ride on Long trips? 400 mile days are a norm when we go ride in the Ozark mountains.
I want a battery that has More Power for GPS, Radar Dector a second radiator fan.
No one so far has a clue (like me) about the AGM battery. I do not care if the AGM or a
Gel Filled battery is heaver if it has More cranking amps.
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posted September 14, 2009 06:58 PM
The funny thing that I've found is that "gel cells" very own literature specify temps not to exceed 100 deg. F. Sitting in my garage here in Phoenix is bad for a gel cell They are also sensitive to charging rates. The acid media in a gel cell, as I understand it, has the consistency of caulk. If you over heat or over charge it and boil, it the acid media bubbles and the bubbles cause a loss of contact with the plates,thus a dramatic loss of capacity. This was explained to me by my brother, who is an electronics engineer of 40+ years.
I think in many cases folks refer to batteries as gel cells when in fact they are really AGM's.
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posted September 14, 2009 07:12 PM
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The funny thing that I've found is that "gel cells" very own literature specify temps not to exceed 100 deg. F. Sitting in my garage here in Phoenix is bad for a gel cell They are also sensitive to charging rates. The acid media in a gel cell, as I understand it, has the consistency of caulk. If you over heat or over charge it and boil, it the acid media bubbles and the bubbles cause a loss of contact with the plates,thus a dramatic loss of capacity. This was explained to me by my brother, who is an electronics engineer of 40+ years.
I think in many cases folks refer to batteries as gel cells when in fact they are really AGM's.
http://www.vonwentzel.net/Battery/01.Type/
I read this article about batteries.
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posted September 14, 2009 07:18 PM
I only ride on the weekend if not busy and the weather permits.
We have a few bikes in the garage and I often switch them- I've put
less than 1K miles on the zx14 this riding season.
Lyle needs to chime in here as Speedceell carries a slightly larger and
stronger version than mine for heavier duty applications.
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posted September 16, 2009 09:39 AM
Where is pissear/Hub when you need a answer? No battery experts??? AGM info needed.
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posted September 17, 2009 04:52 PM
Holy crap, that little battery is as strong as the stock one??? How is it in the cold??
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posted September 17, 2009 10:51 PM
AGM bateries from what i know, are used mainly in the boating arena.
They are deep cycle. and the difference is that most deep cycle batterys are wet. AGM are none spillable, sealed etc.
Check out this nice link;
http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm
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posted September 18, 2009 01:48 PM
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Speedcell
Speedcell are LiFe, dry cell, capable of 1000 complete cycles, thats full discharges till completley dead, will NOT freeze, boil or explode. will discharge at full rate until dead
They handle deep cycles as well as normal cycles equally well.
They can take a trickle charge, or a 45 charge! Try that with any of the others! LMAO...
the 12 cell is 360 amp rated, and will easily outpower the Odysssy 320ca, yet is only 1.5 lbs and the size of 3 US king size cigarette packs approx.
I am away at work and don't have the dimensions with me on hand but even the 12 cell is less than 1/2 the size of stock, and about
They are expensive but will likely outlive many bikes through out the years to come.
They are approved for use in AMA racing unlike Lipo batteries.
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posted September 18, 2009 02:43 PM
THey sound awsome , how much US$ ?
Denise keeps buying shoes / time to get even!!!
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posted September 18, 2009 03:17 PM
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Speedcell
Speedcell are LiFe, dry cell, capable of 1000 complete cycles, thats full discharges till completley dead, will NOT freeze, boil or explode. will discharge at full rate until dead
They handle deep cycles as well as normal cycles equally well.
They can take a trickle charge, or a 45 charge! Try that with any of the others! LMAO...
the 12 cell is 360 amp rated, and will easily outpower the Odysssy 320ca, yet is only 1.5 lbs and the size of 3 US king size cigarette packs approx.
I am away at work and don't have the dimensions with me on hand but even the 12 cell is less than 1/2 the size of stock, and about
They are expensive but will likely outlive many bikes through out the years to come.
They are approved for use in AMA racing unlike Lipo batteries.
Damn ! I guess when my battery needs to be replaced ima have to get me one of them speed cells!
I wonder how it would work when charging your phone while the bike is off?? Hmmm.
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posted September 18, 2009 03:19 PM
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Speedcell
Speedcell are LiFe, dry cell, capable of 1000 complete cycles, thats full discharges till completley dead, will NOT freeze, boil or explode. will discharge at full rate until dead
They handle deep cycles as well as normal cycles equally well.
They can take a trickle charge, or a 45 charge! Try that with any of the others! LMAO...
the 12 cell is 360 amp rated, and will easily outpower the Odysssy 320ca, yet is only 1.5 lbs and the size of 3 US king size cigarette packs approx.
I am away at work and don't have the dimensions with me on hand but even the 12 cell is less than 1/2 the size of stock, and about
They are expensive but will likely outlive many bikes through out the years to come.
They are approved for use in AMA racing unlike Lipo batteries.
Lyle will that small battery last on a long road trip? Bikes charging system keep it charged. Handle GPS
and Radar Decror on long trips?
Thanks
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posted September 18, 2009 03:29 PM
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Speedcell
Speedcell are LiFe, dry cell, capable of 1000 complete cycles, thats full discharges till completley dead, will NOT freeze, boil or explode. will discharge at full rate until dead
They handle deep cycles as well as normal cycles equally well.
They can take a trickle charge, or a 45 charge! Try that with any of the others! LMAO...
the 12 cell is 360 amp rated, and will easily outpower the Odysssy 320ca, yet is only 1.5 lbs and the size of 3 US king size cigarette packs approx.
I am away at work and don't have the dimensions with me on hand but even the 12 cell is less than 1/2 the size of stock, and about
They are expensive but will likely outlive many bikes through out the years to come.
They are approved for use in AMA racing unlike Lipo batteries.
Lyle will that small battery last on a long road trip? Bikes charging system keep it charged. Handle GPS
and Radar Decror on long trips?
Thanks
Louis
I believe while the bike is running it should be fine. I'm wondering how it does when the bike is not running cause a lot of times I have stuff plugged in when I'm stopped. Or sometimes someone will have a flat and I use my onboard compressor and it takes 10 minutes to fill a rear tire...
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posted September 18, 2009 07:10 PM
Edited By: dubious on 19 Sep 2009 03:15
I have used them on zx10, zx14, and my vmax, without issue. Tuning the EFI, tuning vmax carbs, 20-30 hot starts with literally no charg time between, as the bikes were ran through the gears, shut off and tuned then started, ran and tuned again and again. Never a problem.
When the bike is parked it loses 2% in 1 year compared to 30% or more for the stock battery!
The stock charging system works perfect.
I am the dealer for Western Canada, still in its infancy.
they are having a real hard time keeping up with demand.
Yamaha road race team uses them exclusively with their bikes!
Motowheels sells them stateside, and to be honest I can not beat their price with the my extra shipping costs.
In fact, i can barely match their price. Whomever has stock might be the final result.
GPS and radar are very low amp draw, no problem. In fact any accessory that is used while the bike runs is dependant on alternator output 80% of the time, as the alternator charges the battery and powers everything. When the alternator can't keep up , then the battery looses charge, or charge is not replenished. That situation is not the fault of any battery, but more power made vs power consumed.
Now to run any battery for 10 minutes on a substantial amp draw is risky. I know the batery can discharge more cranking and instantaneous amperage than the stocker, but I am not sure of storage capacity, if the bike was running while using the air compressor, that would be ideal.
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posted September 18, 2009 07:20 PM
Edited By: dubious on 19 Sep 2009 03:22
prices are changing, give me till Tuesday to get proper pricing.
Thanks,
Lyle
When I get the details worked out I will look into being a site sponsor.
I have used them on my KTM, Vmax, several zx14's, hayabusa, 14:1 1283 zx12, etc etc.
I can not find any fault. In fact all of my machines have them now ! LOL
I will be testing them in my snowmobile for Speedcell this winter too! woot woot!
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posted September 19, 2009 06:05 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Sep 2009 14:05
Lyle, I like to use my bike battery to power a 7.2 surround sound system and 73" DLP projection TV for moderate length features. I'm concerned that the Speedcell may not be up to the task.
Do you or any of your customers have experience with any similar setups?
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