14man
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posted September 02, 2009 11:18 AM
09 flys out
Hello to the 14 owners.New to this site as of last night.Im wondering is there anyone on this site that has a stock 08 or 09 14 with the flys out? How did the bike perform with no flys.Is there any down side to the performance.Thanks for the info.
  
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smokinZX14
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posted September 02, 2009 11:49 AM
Pull them .... map it ..........and go fast and never look back ..
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14man
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posted September 02, 2009 01:38 PM
What would the need for a new map do?
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Port_Angeles_NINJA
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posted September 02, 2009 01:50 PM
While the ECU thinks the flys are partly closed, more air is getting into the engine the the ECU is programmed to expect. Therefore you have to add more fuel or else the mixture can be lean, this of course is not good for the engine. A power commander with a new map adjusts the duration that the fuel injectors stay on for, allowing you to provide the correct mixture to the engine.
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14man
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posted September 02, 2009 02:02 PM
So not a good idea to remove the flys without a map? With all the didffrent maps from muzzy to brocks how would one know the right choice for the street?? thanks
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Port_Angeles_NINJA
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posted September 02, 2009 02:16 PM
"So not a good idea to remove the flys without a map?"
That seems to be the consensus i have seen from people on here. A couple have done it without the map, but why take a chance? I am too lazy to pull mine out so i just ride above 6,000 rpm all the time, that way the flies are all the way open anyway.
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JDC
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posted September 02, 2009 03:23 PM
 Edited By: JDC on 2 Sep 2009 23:24
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So not a good idea to remove the flys without a map? With all the didffrent maps from muzzy to brocks how would one know the right choice for the street?? thanks
There is so little change with pulling the flies out, you dont need to remap, but to get the last lil'bit, mapping always helps. The OEM map is lean dives rich in the 2-4K range anyway, so pulling the flies will add to that lean spot a little, while conversly helping lean the rich portion.
Here's a flies in-flies out on an 08, which was mapped for each, flies in and flies out. The A/F was about 13.1 for each map.
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Shane661
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posted September 02, 2009 03:28 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 2 Sep 2009 23:31
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That air/fuel is very ugly. Looks like a lot of improvement to be made...
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JDC
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posted September 02, 2009 04:04 PM
You can improve the A/F, flatten it some, but you will not get the great gains that had been had on 06 and 07's. On my 08, tuning to the flies being out, It was about a 5 TQ gain on the bottom end.
So that is the good news. In the twisties and tracks with curves, the throttle is to jumpy in the curves in 1 and 2 gears. Third is just passable. That fine throttle control (flies in) keeps me from staining my panties during those curves, and maybe from over stretching the edge of the bike-n-corner.
I like them in. With the turbo setup, I have kept them in, as well. Did 3-4 round abouts with taking them out, back in, re-mapping on a dyno each time. Each to their own.
Pull them and see how you like it. It is the only way to know for yourself.
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14man
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posted September 02, 2009 04:12 PM
Hey guys thanks much for the work and all the answers.I think i will do as shane said and put some pipes and an air cleaner and call it a day since im not a drag racer.Thanks again
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted September 02, 2009 05:09 PM
Pull them flies and feel like Wil E. Coyote trying to hold on to that acme rocket 
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Wheelie
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posted September 02, 2009 05:50 PM
the lean spot on the chart is at wide open throttle in 4th gear correct?
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ktb
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posted September 02, 2009 07:05 PM
Shane I have to tell you im sorry for this ktb mix up.This is all coming together now as i can see that my nephew thought it would be funny to come on this site as i told him i was going to and log on.I see he was here starting crap a few days ago and thought it was funny.I logged on at my moms and i get this ktb crap so i called and ask him if he was on my pc and why now i have this ktb over here.im not a pc guy Long story short i read the crap he started and i want to say sorry for the rude punk and i will take care of what happend.trust me sorry again.
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted September 02, 2009 07:17 PM
Wow that was unexpected lol! It was entertaining but strange I'll say ...
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smokinZX14
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posted September 02, 2009 07:28 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 3 Sep 2009 03:29
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Wow that was unexpected lol! It was entertaining but strange I'll say ...
+1 Yup what he said .... I was lost for words when i read that ..
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