dubious
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posted July 04, 2010 01:57 PM
haha true, very true.
Development and performance parts availability still is superior for the busa unfortunately.
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1badzx12r
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posted July 04, 2010 02:52 PM
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Busa's look like hammered dog shit. Can't change that with a ecu flash.
as long as its ahead of that pig you ride ..i don't care if it looks like hammered cat shit .. and you pay double to be slow ..ha ha
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oilfieldtrash
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posted July 04, 2010 03:21 PM
I paid $6k for my bike and bought a pc3 and a Brock's pipe. It's plenty fast for me. Sometimes it's okay to just have a bike, ride it, and enjoy it. ; ^ )
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LAB3
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posted July 04, 2010 03:48 PM
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I paid $6k for my bike and bought a pc3 and a Brock's pipe. It's plenty fast for me. Sometimes it's okay to just have a bike, ride it, and enjoy it. ; ^ )
1sad is out of donuts, and needs a fix :-) Shane he makes me look skinny......... your White SE 14
is good looking.... 1sad has a 14 or 2 ..so he says :-) wait until he bends a shift fork on his Booza.
He will claim the BMW is the next world beater. Are you off tomorrow, if so lets go for a ride.
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1badzx12r
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posted July 04, 2010 05:23 PM
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I paid $6k for my bike and bought a pc3 and a Brock's pipe. It's plenty fast for me. Sometimes it's okay to just have a bike, ride it, and enjoy it. ; ^ )
wait until he bends a shift fork on his Booza.
Louis
its not the shift fork but the hollow factory shift shafts that flex and bend . but i have a cut tranny with solid shafts . so you lose again zx14 rider .. i'm becoming more and more a booza man every ride ..maybe i beat wee with my booza july 17th ..
and worm get a bucket of rig wash and scrub the draw works ..
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2000redrocket
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posted July 04, 2010 09:11 PM
wow
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Dark14
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posted July 05, 2010 02:11 PM
Once this ecu flash gets more advanced what would the average person (without a dyno in his garage) need to tune his own bike?
wideband and data loger?
Or does it mostly just depend on the how the "hacker" markets his products/services?
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2000redrocket
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posted July 05, 2010 08:23 PM
i would say one will still need a wide band data logger. you will have to figure out where to add fuel. dut once you get the hand of it you will be ok unless you are not a work on your own bike kind of guy. if you take your bike to the shop for oil changes and chain adjustments it may not work out for you. if you send RR your ecu to get the speed limiting turned off and non tuneing things like that you are doing good.
i have been adjusting my 12 for a while and knowing where to sdd or take away fuel is the thing you have to learn. it depends on the 12 what you are doing at the time of the fueling problem where you add fuel. i am thinking the 14 is the same concept just a different brand ecu chip.
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johnbull
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posted July 06, 2010 03:01 AM
Yep, you would still need something to log with (example LM-2) but imagine how nice it would be to adjust everything from the stock ecu and not having piggy backs over piggy backs.
One of the cars we currently run with the supercharged ZX14 motor uses a PCV to adjust fuel, MSD SB6 to adjust ignition & a flatshifter for clutchless up and down shifts. One side of the car looks like a power station full of boxes and wires from one box to another!!
A fully unlocked stock ecu would be the shit!!
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2000redrocket
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posted July 06, 2010 06:47 AM
that is why i like my zx12 ecu being opened up.
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Dark14
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posted July 06, 2010 08:07 PM
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i would say one will still need a wide band data logger. you will have to figure out where to add fuel. dut once you get the hand of it you will be ok unless you are not a work on your own bike kind of guy. if you take your bike to the shop for oil changes and chain adjustments it may not work out for you. if you send RR your ecu to get the speed limiting turned off and non tuneing things like that you are doing good.
i have been adjusting my 12 for a while and knowing where to sdd or take away fuel is the thing you have to learn. it depends on the 12 what you are doing at the time of the fueling problem where you add fuel. i am thinking the 14 is the same concept just a different brand ecu chip.
Yea i realize it would be alot of logging and tuning. I have a friend with an 02 trans am with a similar tunning program, which i now realize is the same as the "ecu hack" described in this thread.
so i guess the hacker can charge whatever they want for the software and that means we are at the mercy of his brilliance. lol
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posted July 07, 2010 06:38 AM
All the ECUs have built in diagnostic capability that allows you to get all the engine parameters including rpm, throttle, air temperature and pressures, ignition timing, gear, speed, etc with a single connection to the wire harness. My tuning software will allow you to access and log that data along with an auxiliary input for a wide-band.
The plan is to have it set up such that as you step through the log data any maps that are open will hilite which area of that map was being used at that instant in time. For example if you notice at 12.35 seconds into the run that the AFR is too lean you can slide the time cursor to that point, open up the fuel map and it will look up the rpm and throttle position at 12.35 seconds and hilite the map cells around those settings.
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posted July 07, 2010 06:49 AM
 Edited By: RidgeRacer on 7 Jul 2010 14:50
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...for 150,00 i got a custom mapping and ecu flashed on a booza
You paid $150 bucks to someone using a $20 USB cable and free software and maps to flash your busa? How come they didn't do it for free?
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johnbull
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posted July 07, 2010 07:10 AM
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...for 150,00 i got a custom mapping and ecu flashed on a booza
You paid $150 bucks to someone using a $20 USB cable and free software and maps to flash your busa? How come they didn't do it for free?
Haha.....very true!!!
RR, any estimate as to when this flash is going to available for the ZX14?
Cheers for your support on this subject.
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Dark14
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posted July 07, 2010 01:36 PM
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All the ECUs have built in diagnostic capability that allows you to get all the engine parameters including rpm, throttle, air temperature and pressures, ignition timing, gear, speed, etc with a single connection to the wire harness. My tuning software will allow you to access and log that data along with an auxiliary input for a wide-band.
The plan is to have it set up such that as you step through the log data any maps that are open will hilite which area of that map was being used at that instant in time. For example if you notice at 12.35 seconds into the run that the AFR is too lean you can slide the time cursor to that point, open up the fuel map and it will look up the rpm and throttle position at 12.35 seconds and hilite the map cells around those settings.
Right. that sounds EXACTLY like my buds tuning program on his 02 trans am.
But as far as i know (and i could be wrong) he has to have his laptop hooked up sitting in his passenger seat to log. so would this tunning on the 14 only be able to be done at a shop with a dyno?
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dubious
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posted July 07, 2010 03:16 PM
I am still interested, and FYI RR, the mega squirt to replace our ecu , ppl are looking at costs over $600 to get started.....
need ability to tune my own ecu with a turbo application though.
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LAB3
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posted July 08, 2010 03:19 AM
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...for 150,00 i got a custom mapping and ecu flashed on a booza
You paid $150 bucks to someone using a $20 USB cable and free software and maps to flash your busa? How come they didn't do it for free?
Haha.....very true!!!
RR, any estimate as to when this flash is going to available for the ZX14?
Cheers for your support on this subject.
+1 when on the ZX-14 ECU...............2006/2007 model.
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1badzx12r
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posted July 08, 2010 04:11 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 8 Jul 2010 12:24
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...for 150,00 i got a custom mapping and ecu flashed on a booza
You paid $150 bucks to someone using a $20 USB cable and free software and maps to flash your busa? How come they didn't do it for free?
i guess you didn't read the part ABOUT CUSTOM MAPPING .. It ran on a dyno for several hours like 4 hrs .. BUT its still way below 1/2 of what you want to charge . and yes the software is free unlike what you want to charge for yours .. didn't you say 375.00 .. so don't try telling me i got rip off..but some of these guys are dumb enough to pay that for copy software from a busa
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posted July 08, 2010 04:27 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 8 Jul 2010 13:29
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I just sent in my ECU for speed and rev limiter modifications. Still no ETA on the tuning kit release.
But part of the $375 for the reprograming will go towards the purchase of the tuning kit when it becomes available.
So for now I'll be using a Bazzaz.
yeap looks like a 20.00 usb cable and snake oil . 375.00 is that with shipping and tax
gotta love it when the guy charging 375,00 call the guy charging 150.00 a crook or rip-off
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RidgeRacer
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posted July 08, 2010 08:52 AM
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...for 150,00 i got a custom mapping and ecu flashed on a booza
You paid $150 bucks to someone using a $20 USB cable and free software and maps to flash your busa? How come they didn't do it for free?
i guess you didn't read the part ABOUT CUSTOM MAPPING .. It ran on a dyno for several hours like 4 hrs .. BUT its still way below 1/2 of what you want to charge . and yes the software is free unlike what you want to charge for yours .. didn't you say 375.00 .. so don't try telling me i got rip off..but some of these guys are dumb enough to pay that for copy software from a busa
I never said you got ripped off and yes I noticed the custom mapping....that was my whole point.
What you paid for was their experience, knowledge, and expertise at tuning, not their ability to simply flash the ECU. They added value to the free software. You probably would have paid about the same for a good Power Commander tune, plus the price of the power commander of course. One reason you only paid $150 is because their abilities are not that unique. Everybody and his brother tunes bikes and two years in to it now more than a few of them flash tune busas and again that is due in no small part to the easy availability of the free software.
Whether you no it or not that free software is thanks to a guy in Finland named Petri Karjalainen better known as PetriK.
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PetriK:
I would like to say that special thanks for RR setting up this topic and motivating us to go throught both the pain and pleasure for getting into ecu tuning.
I showed PetriK how to flash the 16bit busas, we worked together to hack the Gen 1 32bit Busa, and when I, all on my own, figured out how to flash the Gen II Busa I gave him a copy of my flash software.
So to your first point, that you only paid $150 to get your Busa flash tuned.....YOUR WELCOME.
Is $375 a lot to pay for a rev limit adjust and getting rid of the speed restriction? Depends. For some that small edge over the competition is worth the price and more. I've had people happily pay that and close to $150 just for the overnight shipping back and forth. As time goes on the price will definitely drop or you will get much more for that price. As I said when I announced it this is the bleeding edge, first kid on the block price. It is like anything else, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay.
In the long run maybe your right and there is no money to be made in the bike market and I should just stick to the niche markets like snowmobiles and personal water craft. (PWC). The snowmobile guys get $400-600 a flash, the PWC guys are getting $750.
http://www.hotseatperformance.com/psp/showdetl.cfm?&User_ID=2645701&St=5372&St2=64135654&St3=-84339783&DS_ID=2&Product_ID=4048&DID=29
http://www.4-tecperformance.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=152
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posted July 08, 2010 09:09 AM
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I just sent in my ECU for speed and rev limiter modifications. Still no ETA on the tuning kit release.
But part of the $375 for the reprograming will go towards the purchase of the tuning kit when it becomes available.
So for now I'll be using a Bazzaz.
yeap looks like a 20.00 usb cable and snake oil . 375.00 is that with shipping and tax
gotta love it when the guy charging 375,00 call the guy charging 150.00 a crook or rip-off
1bad..........GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!
In every topic that you post on in this forum all you do is moan and grumble and complain about peoples products bad mouthing everthing and everyone!!!
If you're so chuffed with your Busa's performance and cheap accessories then Go to a Busa forum and do us all a favour!!!
What a prick!!!!
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1badzx12r
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posted July 08, 2010 02:32 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 8 Jul 2010 23:15
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PetriK:
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So to your first point, that you only paid $150 to get your Busa flash tuned.....YOUR WELCOME.
and again NO
The only good your flash tune did for me was get rid of ram air and a speedlimitor .. so i guess i'm paying 150.00 for that +40.00 for wiring harness to flash with
so that makes the rest of the dyno tuning was free and no not every dyno tuner tunes turbo bikes . and no i'm not kissing your ass for taking my money to market a product.. which in my case does nothing that a 50.00 TRE or 2.00 radio shack diode does
BUT HEY i'll try anything once
next on the list of try's http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Haltech-Mazda-RX-8-Sprint-RE-stand-alone-ECU-kit-/120560521972?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c11f792f4
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posted July 09, 2010 02:34 AM
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I just sent in my ECU for speed and rev limiter modifications. Still no ETA on the tuning kit release.
But part of the $375 for the reprograming will go towards the purchase of the tuning kit when it becomes available.
So for now I'll be using a Bazzaz.
yeap looks like a 20.00 usb cable and snake oil . 375.00 is that with shipping and tax
gotta love it when the guy charging 375,00 call the guy charging 150.00 a crook or rip-off
1bad..........GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!
In every topic that you post on in this forum all you do is moan and grumble and complain about peoples products bad mouthing everthing and everyone!!!
If you're so chuffed with your Busa's performance and cheap accessories then Go to a Busa forum and do us all a favour!!!
What a prick!!!!
He almost never has a kind word or anything good to say about anyone or any thing...... except
his new Saint busa. He says he has sold over 2k worth of ZX-14 Power Commander products as there are junk/ lack of customer service..............................................................................................................ECU
flash is the way to go. Now he complains about that too.........sad.....really sad. I wish him sucess with
his turbo busa on a Busa site.See ya.
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1badzx12r
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posted July 09, 2010 04:23 AM
yeap busa the king of motorcycles ..don't that just sux that you own a second best bike ..and will never know greatness
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Bigbore4
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posted July 09, 2010 04:46 AM
"yeap busa the king of motorcycles "
HAHA, that's so funny I had to break into my stash of anti-sidesplittin pills!!
What's even funnier is that you believe it 
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