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posted February 11, 2010 06:15 AM
The primary goal is to get the map editing software out there for as many different bikes as possible which means just editing the existing factory maps. Special features like shift kill and turbo maps for each bike will be available eventually but probably not during the initial release.
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2000redrocket
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posted February 11, 2010 06:35 AM
morning ridge. thanks for the update. we got a ass load of snow in the past week. no rideing on the east coast for a while.
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wrongway
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posted February 11, 2010 06:49 AM
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There are individual fuel maps for each cylinder (they can be unified to a single map for all if you want). Fuel maps include Speed Density (RPM x Manifold Press) or AlphaN (RPM x Throttle Pos). Also there is a fuel trim by gear that applies across all cylinders. The ECU also has duplicate Map Sets (MS0, MS1) that are selected by a wire harness jumper that can be used for custom motor / nitrous maps.
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can these map sets be selected on the fly ... how long does it take for the ecu to switch to a new map set ?
Roy
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posted February 11, 2010 06:50 AM
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morning ridge. thanks for the update. we got a ass load of snow in the past week. no rideing on the east coast for a while.
Morning. Looks like I'm in the sweat spot weather wise up here in the upper left hand corner. California is getting rain and mud slides and you all back east are getting the snow. Yeah we are getting a little rain but we are used to that. Temps in the 50s in February are a pleasant surprise however. You guys must be getting your snow + our snow because we didn't get any this year.
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2000redrocket
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posted February 11, 2010 09:03 AM
yep , it was a good year to get my 98 xlt limited sled love it. the 12 gets fork seals this week.
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RidgeRacer
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posted February 11, 2010 11:54 AM
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... The ECU also has duplicate Map Sets (MS0, MS1) that are selected by a wire harness jumper that can be used for custom motor / nitrous maps. .
can these map sets be selected on the fly ... how long does it take for the ecu to switch to a new map set ?
Roy
On the stock ECU, at least the 06 we tested, no. You have to turn the key off, change the jumper, turn the key on for it to detect the map change. BTW this is the same for the ZX-12. Haven't tested the ZX-10 yet.
I'm beginning to think this is just a Kawasaki 'feature'. The 16bit ZX-12 and 16bit Busa, both Denso, shared about 80% of the same software yet the Busa had on the fly map switching and the 12 didn't
Not to worry however. Being able to wire the map select into the solenoid circuit and have it switch maps automatically is such a popular feature of the Busa ecu flashing that we will definitely offer it. I will just have to take out my code hammer and beat it into submission.
I can't say exactly what the switch delay would be but it would be < 100mS. The way it works is the ECU scans the switch 10 times a second. How long it takes to switch maps depends on when the switch state changes in relation to the last scan. It it changes 2ms before then next scan then the delay is 2ms but if it changes 2mS after the last scan then the delay is 98mS. The delay is random and different every time. All you can say for sure is it won't exceed the scan cycle period, in this case 1/10th of a second.
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wrongway
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posted February 11, 2010 12:11 PM
thanks for the info. It sounds like it would not be a good idea to switch to a nitrous map on the fly ? make the switch to a nitrous map before doing a nitrous pass ?
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2000redrocket
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posted February 11, 2010 03:35 PM
wrong way i am thinking that would work on the fly i think the busa guys get away with it.if it flips over in one scan than that is not much time or crank revoulitions unless way high in the rpm range. 11000 rpm is 183 revolutions per second and is 18.3 per .1 of a second. which is 9 power pulses.i think no one would tag the nos button at 11 grand anyway.
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RidgeRacer
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posted February 12, 2010 06:27 AM
Consider too that the nitrous flow is by no means instantaneous. From the time the voltage is applied the solenoid has to open (10mS ?) The nitrous has to flow down the piping, spray, and get sucked into the cylinders.
If nothing else I know the busa guys have been doing this for over a year with no reported bad results.
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posted February 12, 2010 06:42 AM
Seems like it would be a plus with the delay, perhaps. As you say, it will take a split second for the nitrous to flow. However, it will also take a little bit of time to empty the airbox of nitrous when you let off of the button....in that case a small delay could be advantageous, perhaps?
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2000redrocket
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posted February 12, 2010 02:11 PM
right on shane. it should keep your nos settings that scan. out plc computers are about 20 to 60 ms scan so this is normal to me the way the ecu works. though with codeing if you put a command at the wrong place it may not work due to where the scan is. i ran into that at work. but when i think of it correctly it can be a good thing also we call it a one shot.
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stocker
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posted February 19, 2010 08:54 PM
flashing your ecu
so has anyone done it yet......
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stocker
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posted February 19, 2010 08:59 PM
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I'm from central Florida and don't know this guy. I do know that MPS flashes Busa ecu's and located in central florida maybe its one of those guys but thier names aren't Mark. I have never seen this guy at the track.
you have'nt been at the track long enough......
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stocker
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posted February 19, 2010 09:00 PM
my other bike.....
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stocker
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posted February 19, 2010 09:03 PM
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I'm from central Florida and don't know this guy. I do know that MPS flashes Busa ecu's and located in central florida maybe its one of those guys but thier names aren't Mark. I have never seen this guy at the track.
my black bike was one of the first bikes to be on dan's dyno with a flashed ecu, i showed him a long time ago......using romraider.....marc....
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stocker
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posted February 19, 2010 09:07 PM
thanks rr..marc...
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stocker
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posted February 19, 2010 09:10 PM
check out the custom flash module for the 08-09 busa's...look at the headder title....
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dogg24
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posted February 19, 2010 10:13 PM
Doesn't look like anyone has had it done yet.
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stocker
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posted February 20, 2010 07:17 AM
i am sure it will catch on when rr releases the finished software, by now i would have though that someone would have got the rev/speed done.....
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2000redrocket
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posted February 20, 2010 08:02 AM
that ecu flasher box looks like the same thing ridge told me to make for my zx12.how about that.
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stocker
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posted February 20, 2010 09:20 AM
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that ecu flasher box looks like the same thing ridge told me to make for my zx12.how about that.
which on red...there are 2 different ones..??
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posted February 20, 2010 09:22 AM
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i am sure it will catch on when rr releases the finished software, by now i would have though that someone would have got the rev/speed done.....
$375 is what I was quoted to do the rev/speed. At that cost I think most people are willing to wait for the self-programming setup.
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2000redrocket
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posted February 20, 2010 09:23 AM
the radiochack hobby box with the switch on it. i use that for enableing my ecu to be erased.
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dogg24
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posted February 20, 2010 02:20 PM
I know you can eventually get rid of the pc when your ecu is flashed but what about the speedohealer?
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dubious
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posted February 20, 2010 07:08 PM
yeah youn can dump the PC3 or PC5, speedohealer, and possibly MSD SB6 with a flashed ECU.
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