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posted October 18, 2009 01:08 PM
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When I can map based on boost, tps, and rpm, as well as remove the speed limiter, calibrate the speedo, I am in!
I already have a spare ECU waiting! 
keep us posted!
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posted October 18, 2009 05:48 PM
sounds like he can give you some things now though basic like rpm increase and maybe speed limiting. not sure about the latter.
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posted October 18, 2009 05:52 PM
I haven't benn on this forum long as a contributor, but I read for months before I dicided this was where I wanted to be a member. I learned that most here didn't mind spending money for quality parts or services,but wanted a complete package upgrade as dubious stated. I think if you finish the rest of your hack you will be shocked how many on this board will jump on what ypu have started on ridge. Thanks for your effort.
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posted October 18, 2009 05:53 PM
I haven't benn on this forum long as a contributor, but I read for months before I dicided this was where I wanted to be a member. I learned that most here didn't mind spending money for quality parts or services,but wanted a complete package upgrade as dubious stated. I think if you finish the rest of your hack you will be shocked how many on this board will jump on what ypu have started on ridge. Thanks for your effort.
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posted October 18, 2009 05:54 PM
Also, it is probably not the best time of the season for this. When it gets a little colder, and people are making winter changes, you will see things pick up. 
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posted October 18, 2009 08:40 PM
Edited By: dubious on 19 Oct 2009 04:49
It would be worth alot of money I think.'
Imagine being able to control the speed limiter, rpm limiter, calibrating speedo, control timing and map fuel injection.
No need for Speedo healer or equivalent, pc5, sb6, ..... there is about $800 equipment that becomes redundant, and no space required with all the extra electronics.
Once people saw what a few of us were doing with it, it would sell beyond any of our dreams I think.
MOST People have no conception of the possibilities until they get beat by it! and thats the truth.
Save space, reliable upgrades and mods, save weight, save money....
I have been reflashing my chev duramax with EFI live, and the piggyback equipment is fisher price toys compared to controlling the stock ecu. Ditto for the bikes I am sure.
Don't give up on us now!
I will buy the equipment, and software for 6 bikes!
that is how confident I am.
You need to sell unlock codes or tuning licenses, and the flash equipment, along with some canned maps like EFI Live does,
They make money on EVERY single ECU that gets flashed.
Not sure if you have looked at the marketing opportunities, but here is efi lives website and what they have done with the chev ecu.
http://www.efilive.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=85
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posted October 19, 2009 02:43 AM
Way to make it expensive for everyone, Lyle. 
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posted October 19, 2009 07:08 AM
haha ... coming from a guy who spends $4000 on wheels, and $1500+ on an exhaust... hahaha.....
unless you think it should be free, you would be wrong.
I paid $900 for the EFI Live programmer, but reflashed 5 trucks with it.
Other than my time, all it cost them was the unlock code/ tuning license.
For less than $300 we got unlimited ability to tune, vs 4 canned maps in a cheap piggyback unit for $650
Losing weight, losing complex additional wiring and the bulk, and utilizing the much more effective, adjustable, and reliable stock ecu is the way of the future.
According to my math, even if each person paid $200 to $300 to make $800-$1000 of equipment obsolete, I don't think that would be making it expensive.
Even for those who only require the ability to replace a speedo healer, and a PC3
those 2 item alone are $350-$400
I fail to see how this is expensive- when we compare the relative expense of the equipment it replaces, and all the benefits of replacing them.
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posted October 19, 2009 07:09 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Oct 2009 15:11
Not free, but you can get a flashing setup for the Busa for under/around $200, I believe. I think that whatever the cost for the Busa setup, the 14 should be comparable.
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posted October 19, 2009 07:23 AM
as you are aware , R&D must be paid for.
The less the demand, the more it costs, just the way it is
unfortunately No part I have bought for my 14 was cheaper than the busa version...
I was not trying to compare the pricing of the EFI live to what it should be for the bikes, just maybe some marketing strategy.
We need to make it viable. We need to educate and create awareness.
This ability to control the stock ecu is superior in every way, and mor ethan most can even imagine.
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posted October 19, 2009 07:27 AM
Actually pay per bike makes it cheaper. The other alternative is an unlimited version which to protect your investment you would have to sell for thousands to only shop owners. Knowing you going to get paid for each bike means you can drop the price per unit way down and make it competitive to the piggybacks.
I can fully flash a dozen different bikes. All the GSXRs back as far as 03/04, ZX-6, some R6, working on the R1, and assorted other models. All I lack is a secure delivery method. Right now I'm still trying to decide on a software license or a hardware 'dongle' that has to be attached. One thing in favor of hardware is that none of the bike ECUs have any kind of serial or VIN number that uniquely differentiates two ECUs off the same make/model from each other. In the software method step one is installing a unique license or serial number into the ECU. However if that process becomes compromised then people could 'illegally' license any number of ECUs
There are a lot of conflicting goals. As a shop owner you want to be able have a copy of the software on your dyno PC and your laptop you take to races. As a customer if you get your bike flashed by Shop A initially you still want to be able to move over to Shop B, or do it yourself later. Things like this make software licensing very hard. The dongle on the other hand is a physical thing that contains the license and goes with the bike. With the dongle you don't need to worry about the software, you can make it freely available like dynojet does with their software for the PC because the only people who can use it have purchased a dongle. This seems to be the route most of the car guys have gone.
I would prefer the software method if I could get it to work because there is no manufacturing lead times or physical inventory like there is with dongles. Either way there will definitely be something out there by spring 2010.
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posted October 19, 2009 08:05 AM
good morning ridge. thanks for the update. i wish the connie would be as popular as 14.
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posted October 19, 2009 08:25 AM
Edited By: JDC on 19 Oct 2009 16:31
My only 3-4 X's at 186 it felt like the ignition kicking out. We were at Daytona and a friend and I swapped, he's is a retired lead mechanic for the auto racing (team) industry, and he said it felt like the ignition cutting in and out. He's usually very perceptive.
From my seat of the pants it felt just like the ignition 'missing'/electrical shorts.... very short duration loss with the very short return to full throttle/ignition - cutting on and off.
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posted October 19, 2009 10:25 AM
Any time line on this?
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posted October 19, 2009 10:32 AM
Thanks Ridge,
We await patiently. March would be nice, so we have time to test and tune!
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posted November 23, 2009 03:06 AM
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posted November 23, 2009 08:45 PM
Either way there will definitely be something out there by spring 2010.
taps foot...great thread to follow. God bless talented hackers.
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posted January 08, 2010 02:03 PM
whatever happened to Ridgeracer?
I have sent Ridgeracer a couple of e-mails on the ecu re-flash and not heard back from him. Anybody heard any new info on his project lately?
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posted February 08, 2010 07:51 AM
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posted February 08, 2010 09:48 AM
We can flash both the older 06/07 and the newer 08/09 ZX-14, probably the 2010 too but haven't verified that yet. We are only flashing the ECUs 'in house' at the moment but will hopefully have software available so you can do your own ECU tuning late March or early April. BTW same goes for the ZX-10s as well
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posted February 08, 2010 03:48 PM
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We can flash both the older 06/07 and the newer 08/09 ZX-14, probably the 2010 too but haven't verified that yet. We are only flashing the ECUs 'in house' at the moment but will hopefully have software available so you can do your own ECU tuning late March or early April. BTW same goes for the ZX-10s as well
How much adjustability will we have over the fuel injectors, will it be better than the PC3 will it be close to like what i will be able to do with a AEM?
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posted February 08, 2010 05:08 PM
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We can flash both the older 06/07 and the newer 08/09 ZX-14, probably the 2010 too but haven't verified that yet. We are only flashing the ECUs 'in house' at the moment but will hopefully have software available so you can do your own ECU tuning late March or early April. BTW same goes for the ZX-10s as well
How much adjustability will we have over the fuel injectors, will it be better than the PC3 will it be close to like what i will be able to do with a AEM?
I would say it would be closer to an AEM than a PC3 in that being your stock ECU it is obviously plug and play and comes with factory base maps. Also there is no lack of adjustability, if anything the opposite is true.
There are individual fuel maps for each cylinder (they can be unified to a single map for all if you want). Fuel maps include Speed Density (RPM x Manifold Press) or AlphaN (RPM x Throttle Pos). Also there is a fuel trim by gear that applies across all cylinders. The ECU also has duplicate Map Sets (MS0, MS1) that are selected by a wire harness jumper that can be used for custom motor / nitrous maps.
These Map Sets include Fuel, Ignition and Secondary Throttle maps which, btw, can be adjusted by gear. There are over 200 maps in the stock ecu that cover everything from the Coil Dwell (RPM x Batt Voltage) to injector phasing. In addition you can not only change the rev limit but change it from a fuel cut to an ignition cut.
If you have been following what the Busa guys have been doing with the Stock ECU this will give you the same kind of capabilities they now have.
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posted February 08, 2010 05:20 PM
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posted February 09, 2010 11:07 AM
SWEEET!!!!
I CAN NOT WAIT!
TURBO FRIENDLY FUEL AND IGNITION CONTROL !
WOOHOO!
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posted February 11, 2010 05:58 AM
Are we going to be able to use a map sensor to control fuel and timing?
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