kawasakijockey
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posted July 28, 2009 12:29 PM
 Edited By: kawasakijockey on 28 Jul 2009 20:38
Update on tuning my Cycle Logic lockup.
We had talked about this before and I have not updated on the progress of late. So far the best 60fts. we have achieved with it are 1.50-1.51 consistantly, tossing the lever at 6000rpm and wot immediately. The bike runs every number down the 1/4 within 1-2 hundredths every pass as long as you leave at the exact same rpm. Keep in mind the 16/42 gear and I am 235 suited. The static springs are custom ground and so are the shims I have been using. The goal is 1.45 60's but it may not happen. Any changes with static or weight, or both, cause negative numbers at this point it seems. Amazingly, the stack height wear of .025-.030 has not affected the numbers but 1 hundredth. The design of the lockup and the 760 lbs total weight have me at a non-progressive point now. If I were 40 lbs lighter it would be there I think. Come cool weather the 60's will drop. Unlike hand clutching where you get more aggresive with the clutch and throttle to make up for power, this is a fixed system where all the power you throw at it wot is put to that clutch setup. Makes for an excellent bracket bike but I dont care to do that stuff right now. I can do 1.47's by hand but want the consistency a lockup gives. Riding on the street is an absolute breeze with no interference from the lockup and no static slip. I have 1 more test day and might be going with the MTC single stage. Anyway, I just wanted it to be known that it can be tuned, but only to a point. BTW, stock engine without using the nitrous.
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9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
  
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Shane661
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posted July 28, 2009 12:42 PM
How bad has this been wearing the friction plates? It must be slipping it quite a bit if you are throwing it at 6k and pinning the throttle. Or so you would think...
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posted July 28, 2009 12:47 PM
Edited By: kawasakijockey on 28 Jul 2009 20:49
It has maybe 90-100 passes and the total wear is .025-030. Throw it at 6000 and the stall rpm holds at 8-9000 and climbs. Most of the wear came trying to find the static in the first 25 passes I bet. You can toss the lever at 4000 and it will do 1.53's. Any more rpm past 6g doesnt make a difference in numbers.
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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Shane661
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posted July 28, 2009 12:51 PM
I still haven't mounted mine up. Once I crack into the 8's I'm going to think about it. But only to hold nitrous, or see if it gives me some more mph.
Good job adapting it for this use though. A lighter setup might allow for 1.4's consistently.
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kawasakijockey
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posted July 28, 2009 01:03 PM
I really think it will with lighter riders. All of my friends have been on my ass for fooling with this thing for so long. I have actually enjoyed the learning experience. I have set up 2 other brands for some street guys.
If you are using stock springs Shane the CL will give you 2mph maybe. I think that is what it did for mine, but I am a bit heavier total.
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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posted July 28, 2009 01:08 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 28 Jul 2009 21:08
Once I get solid 60's in the 1.40-1.45 range, I will probably give it a try. I have 5 spacers with stock springs right now.
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kawasakijockey
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posted July 28, 2009 01:12 PM
You might not ever need it.
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2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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Shane661
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posted July 28, 2009 01:13 PM
We'll see. Once I get those solid 60's and 8's, the nitrous is going on. 
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1badzx12r
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posted July 28, 2009 01:48 PM
sound like you need a haye's clutch
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JDC
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posted July 28, 2009 05:09 PM
Kawa...
I think it's great for scientiests like your self to share what you have learned.
Thanks!
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kawasakijockey
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posted July 28, 2009 06:21 PM
Mad scientist maybe.....lol
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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posted July 28, 2009 11:13 PM
Edited By: JDC on 29 Jul 2009 07:14
So Kawa, in a nut shell. what is the end result of what you did to the ending tune on your Cycle Logic lock up?
and unless I'm missing something, sounds like you feel it works pretty good.
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kawasakijockey
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posted July 29, 2009 06:36 AM
Edited By: kawasakijockey on 29 Jul 2009 14:39
quote:
So Kawa, in a nut shell. what is the end result of what you did to the ending tune on your Cycle Logic lock up?
and unless I'm missing something, sounds like you feel it works pretty good.
The end result is after all this time of tuning I cant get what I need out of it as a tuned lockup without spending money at a machine shop. This thing takes a lot more static and weight than I thought to get where it is now. It was not intended or designed for what I wanted out of it. Am I happy with my results to this point? No, not really, but I tried something that was a challenge and got a great learning experience. The Cycle Logic does well for what it is intended, extra hold at high rpm. Not bashing CL's product at all so nobody should take it that way.
MTC has the answers for me in a 400 dollar single stage.
As far as numbers go I can only get 1.51's, 4.00's, 6.01's, 9.41-9.43's @145.5 out of it in the hot air down here right now.
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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bigwil
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posted July 29, 2009 07:05 AM
ive got my cycle logic for sale and also gota mtc on the way
but do say it worked good when i first got it for what i was doing i did get more mph
now that we and the bikes advanced so must the clutch
caint wait till the hays comes out 8wks/ and spoke with skip at oriant express and he
says they have a convertable clutch thats almost done and it will be only around 1000
also they got a mtc sandcast quick acc, cover fo for only 250.00
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posted July 29, 2009 07:10 AM
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The Cycle Logic does well for what it is intended, extra hold at high rpm. MTC has the answers for me in a 400 dollar single stage.
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and thats all a loc-up is design for ..
if you want a centripetal clutch ..that mtc clutch isn't gonna work either .. $1,400.00 may get you what you want ..
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kawasakijockey
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posted July 29, 2009 07:16 AM
quote:
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The Cycle Logic does well for what it is intended, extra hold at high rpm. MTC has the answers for me in a 400 dollar single stage.
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..that mtc clutch isn't gonna work either .. $1,400.00 may get you what you want ..
Why wouldnt it?
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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posted July 29, 2009 07:16 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 29 Jul 2009 15:16
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mtc clutch isn't gonna work either .. $1,400.00 may get you what you want ..
My girlfriend's SWB Turbo ran 1.5's with a non-multi stage MTC, throwing the lever. 8.80's at 163+. So, if you know what you are doing you can get it to work.
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posted July 29, 2009 07:23 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 29 Jul 2009 15:23
yeah shane but i've got 2 freinds with a hayes clutch ..that just whack the throttle and cut 1.30's all day long .. and you don't have to know what your doing ..
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bigwil
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posted July 29, 2009 07:34 AM
hay kawasakijockey if you dont mind lk to no your set up for your mtc when you get it im 240lbs
shane you girlfriends ridden. swb thats what i run at 64" nice
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posted July 29, 2009 07:44 AM
Edited By: kawasakijockey on 29 Jul 2009 15:44
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hay kawasakijockey if you dont mind lk to no your set up for your mtc when you get it im 240lbs
shane you girlfriends ridden. swb thats what i run at 64" nice
You will have yours before I can get mine I'm sure. Make sure to get a set of the super soft springs from MTC. It uses a spacer plate like the CL instead of a modded cover. The lockup will come with .025 and .050 shims but the springs you buy seperate. I was told to put .075 shims on each spring to start off.
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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bigwil
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posted July 29, 2009 07:59 AM
i sent my cover to mtc they mod. it only the multistage comes with the spacer thats why i was looking into quick acc. cover didnt lk the way the mod looks going with the cover from oriant figger im going to need for the hays any way / now im kinda intrested in the oriant convertable going to talk somemore with skip this weekend at Indy
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kawasakijockey
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posted July 29, 2009 08:24 AM
Kevin at MTC told me the opposite. He said the single comes with the 1inch spacer now. hmmm, I might call them back.
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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posted July 29, 2009 08:39 AM
I have the MTC lock-up and never had much luck with it. I have had it for over 2 years and after fidgeting with it, I took it back out and went back to spacers. I had a problem with it locking early (30-40ft out) and pulling the bike down real bad. I went from low 1.4's to mid/high 1.6's. I tried everything...weight..less weight...no weight...more spring pressure...less spring pressure...heavy springs and lock-up...worn out springs and lock-up. Just never had any luck. Fought it for a year and pulled it out. I put my spacers back in and went 1.4's again. Right now i'm back to using all 5 of the Brock spacers and my 60's are slowly creeping back down into the 1.4's again. If i had more motor I would prob throw it back in and give it a shot, right now it's in the tool box collecting dust.
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posted July 29, 2009 08:47 AM
Edited By: kawasakijockey on 29 Jul 2009 16:54
That is where I seem to be with the CL. Add any more weight and it bogs. Take some static away because of the added weight bog and lose short time. Take weight off and add static and it bogs 50ft or loses it numbers on the big end of the track. It is right at the balance point now.
That is the worst thing about the 14 is that the lockups will have 5 arms. You cant remove 2,3,or 4 like with a 6 arm clutch when you want to fine tune them.
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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bigwil
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posted July 29, 2009 09:27 AM
oh i miss those days my bike always went 1,42 1.45
now im lucky to go1.58 with a lock up
but im shure its alot is with set up just getting tiered off playing with it
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