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posted June 18, 2009 07:31 PM
Can you Believe this S..t!
I'm riding my "06" 14 this past Saturday, cruising at about 60 mph when all of a sudden my bike starts to sputter real bad and loose power as if l had a fouled plug. A few seconds later l start to hear a clacking sound coming from the upper part of the engine. I immediately shut the engine off and coast to the shoulder of the highway. Bike's full of oil, no error light came on, on the dash, no white or black smoke ever came out of exhaust. No leaks anywhere. This is baffeling to me. You guys have any idea what this may be?
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posted June 18, 2009 07:36 PM
ground on PCIII? man my bike went bat sh*t crazy because of that ground
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posted June 18, 2009 07:40 PM
I wish thats all it was but the sound came from inside the engine as if a chain or something was slapping inside. Bike has 15,000 miles on it. In imaculate conditon.
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Shane661
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posted June 18, 2009 07:41 PM
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Maybe the cam chain tensioner? So...what's the rest of the story?
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posted June 18, 2009 07:50 PM
Well, I had a manual cam chain tensioner installed a few months after l bought the bike in 06. Bike has a 1417 JE piston kit, stock crank in it. Bike ran spectacular until this day when l was jus cruising at hiway speed.
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posted June 18, 2009 08:15 PM
Don't jump to conclusions, what oil are you running? The manual if adjusted correctly won't be the problem, the piston kit..........no clue as the install or how it was done. What was the skirt clearance, the valve to piston clearance? Changing pistons is a biggie, the head gasket down to the tuning.
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posted June 19, 2009 02:21 AM
No, I'm not jumping to conclusions at all. Just trying to get some opinions on what you guys think this could possibly be before I take bike back to shop. Bike was never run on the track. Did roll ons every now and then. Other than that jus mainly cruised. Adams built this engine over 2 1/2 years ago. He's the expert on 14's , so l'm sure all clearances and tolerances are right on or else problems would have manifested well before now.
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posted June 19, 2009 05:28 AM
I don't like the sound of your sudden engine gremlin. Let us know what u discover.
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posted June 19, 2009 05:33 AM
Has the cam chain tensioner adjustment been checked on a regular basis? You may have spontaneously changed your cam timing in a big way...ouch.
Good luck, let us know...
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posted June 19, 2009 09:44 AM
sounds like the cam chain is out of adjustment and or let loose. i have had buddy loose a cam chain riding next to me and that's what it was like..... clatter, loss of power.....
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posted June 19, 2009 10:29 AM
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Has the cam chain tensioner adjustment been checked on a regular basis? You may have spontaneously changed your cam timing in a big way...ouch.
Good luck, let us know...
No, the cam chain has not been tested on a regular basis. I hope the timing wasn't chnaged the way that you are speaking of. I don't know anyone outside of drag racers or road racers, who ck their cam chain tensioner.
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posted June 19, 2009 10:30 AM
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sounds like the cam chain is out of adjustment and or let loose. i have had buddy loose a cam chain riding next to me and that's what it was like..... clatter, loss of power.....
bigdtd, what did your buddy have to do once this happened to his bike. Give me some idea in as much detail as possible as to what l may be facing. Thanks!
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posted June 19, 2009 10:35 AM
The zx14 cam chain is only a 3 row, the busa has 4 rows...
Bill eason has been working to get us a better chain for the HD valve springs...
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posted June 19, 2009 11:18 AM
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No, the cam chain has not been tested on a regular basis. I hope the timing wasn't chnaged the way that you are speaking of. I don't know anyone outside of drag racers or road racers, who ck their cam chain tensioner.
Well, typically, it is racers who run a manual CCT. The stock part adjusts automatically for wear..but the manual needs to be checked occasionally. That is why the factory part is an automatic...it doesn't require much attention.
If you have a manual tensioner, it is always recommended that you check the adjustment from time to time. I am sure that if you call Adams they will tell you the same.
Hopefully nothing is hurt, but it is something to keep in mind in the future.
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posted June 19, 2009 11:33 AM
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No, the cam chain has not been tested on a regular basis. I hope the timing wasn't chnaged the way that you are speaking of. I don't know anyone outside of drag racers or road racers, who ck their cam chain tensioner.
Well, typically, it is racers who run a manual CCT. The stock part adjusts automatically for wear..but the manual needs to be checked occasionally. That is why the factory part is an automatic...it doesn't require much attention.
If you have a manual tensioner, it is always recommended that you check the adjustment from time to time. I am sure that if you call Adams they will tell you the same.
Hopefully nothing is hurt, but it is something to keep in mind in the future.
Shane
Thanks Shane661 but I was always told how the hydraulic tensioner can at times not provid enuff tension and mess up a head. Every builder l know always suggested a manual cam chain tensioner. No one has ever told me about having to re check it, which is an inconvenience in itself if l have to do that, being that l don't tear my bike down after every few races or what not. Now l'm confused as to which way to go now because the head is definitely going to have to come off.
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posted June 19, 2009 11:36 AM
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The zx14 cam chain is only a 3 row, the busa has 4 rows...
Bill eason has been working to get us a better chain for the HD valve springs...
Dubious, what do you mean by 3 row and 4 rows? Are you saying that the 14 has a weaker chain than the Busa? I do have the HD valve springs in the head. That was recommended.
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posted June 19, 2009 11:38 AM
I know of plenty of reliable race bikes that use an automatic. It really depends on the bike and the application. But the manual definitely needs checked occasionally.
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posted June 19, 2009 12:20 PM
your screwed
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posted June 19, 2009 01:01 PM
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The zx14 cam chain is only a 3 row, the busa has 4 rows...
Bill eason has been working to get us a better chain for the HD valve springs...
Dubious, what do you mean by 3 row and 4 rows? Are you saying that the 14 has a weaker chain than the Busa? I do have the HD valve springs in the head. That was recommended.
Yes the busa has a stronger chain. I have HD valve springs too.
When I went to assemble the motor found the chain stretched quite a bit.... was another week wait for new chain... arghhh.
Bill has had a few bad chains come through his shop too.
Bill Easson also was selling modified zx12 auto but mechanical tensioner, that way if you lose oil pressure, you don't take out the top AND bottom end...
I tried a mechanical one from APE and it didn't even fit in the hole! 
I decided to steer away from it all together.
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posted June 19, 2009 01:08 PM
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I tried a mechanical one from APE and it didn't even fit in the hole!
I decided to steer away from it all together.
That's because you had it upside down.....doh!!! j/k
When the hell you going to get off the computer and start running your bike?? OMFG....I almost can't stand it.
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posted June 19, 2009 01:17 PM
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Paul, I'm at work right now,
But you could help.
I need to see some pics of your old bike, specifically the oil lines and where they were located on the adams pan.
You have a photobucket account or such I can browse?
Harry was supposed to email me pics but I doubt he compressed them and I haven't gotten the email... Its friday... HELP!
If you activate your IM's or email me at :
eldubois at telus dot net
that would be most awesome!
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posted June 19, 2009 02:31 PM
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auto but mechanical tensioner, that way if you lose oil pressure, you don't take out the top AND bottom end...
enlighten me on that statement ..
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posted June 19, 2009 02:38 PM
http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/iflyphi/
It's towards the back, enjoy.
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posted June 19, 2009 03:02 PM
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auto but mechanical tensioner, that way if you lose oil pressure, you don't take out the top AND bottom end...
enlighten me on that statement ..
The zx12 tensioner is a coneventional tensioner, not hydraulic.
It will adjust automaticaly.
Need to machine .120" off the face of the mount, so it goes in further, and drop it in there!
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posted June 19, 2009 03:02 PM
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http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/iflyphi/
It's towards the back, enjoy.
Thanks buddy!
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