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posted June 13, 2009 11:35 AM
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Nitrous shot question
well my zx14 makes 134HP on motor and a 176 on a 40 shot, do you guys think it will hold a 80shot with some good gas, im guessing a 80 shot would get me a actual 210-215 HP up here in the high elevation
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posted June 13, 2009 12:28 PM
I read on this forum that a stock motor can safely handle a 40 shot.
Any more and you need to take out timing , and possibly use different pistons and valve springs.
Maybe it is because of your elevation , but mine with a 40 shot / pipe / filter / PC3USB / 16-41 / custom map dynod without ram air at 211 rwhp / 135 ft lbs .
I know that each dyno is different but what do the more knowledgeable guys on here think ???
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posted June 13, 2009 02:11 PM
134hp??? something doesnt sound right 176 on motor i can see???
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posted June 13, 2009 02:53 PM
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134hp??? something doesnt sound right 176 on motor i can see???
i was wrong it only made 132HP
here is my graph this is the power my bike acutely makes here where i live my corrected #s for sea level are close to what you posted
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posted June 13, 2009 05:09 PM
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well my zx14 makes 134HP on motor and a 176 on a 40 shot, do you guys think it will hold a 80shot with some good gas, im guessing a 80 shot would get me a actual 210-215 HP up here in the high elevation
Something is wrong. You should be receiving 200 to 220 hp with a 40 shot.
Didn't we have a similar post three weeks ago? Are the newer bikes coming out with less horsepower?
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posted June 14, 2009 03:36 AM
He's just pointing out what alot of guys on the board never think about, the hp you lose going up in elevation. You lose about 3% for every 1000ft up you go.....at 5000ft you'd lose 15%, so if you have 165rwhp at sea level, minus the 24.75rwhp you lose at elevation, you'd have 140.25rwhp at 5000ft. Depending upon his actual elevation and hp, his numbers could be very real. For all you guys that have never ridden at higher elevations you lose a shitload of actual sotp acceleration.......we're talking a VERY noticeable amount, and the higher you go the sadder it gets 
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posted June 14, 2009 08:08 AM
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He's just pointing out what alot of guys on the board never think about, the hp you lose going up in elevation. You lose about 3% for every 1000ft up you go.....at 5000ft you'd lose 15%, so if you have 165rwhp at sea level, minus the 24.75rwhp you lose at elevation, you'd have 140.25rwhp at 5000ft. Depending upon his actual elevation and hp, his numbers could be very real. For all you guys that have never ridden at higher elevations you lose a shitload of actual sotp acceleration.......we're talking a VERY noticeable amount, and the higher you go the sadder it gets
yep you got it here in ABQ NM are track is at 5300' and the DA is always 7500'-9000'
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posted June 14, 2009 09:00 AM
what jet size did you use?
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posted June 14, 2009 10:39 AM
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80/wet + valve springs would be a good option...or a turbo!
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posted June 14, 2009 10:55 AM
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80/wet + valve springs would be a good option...or a turbo!
im thinking big motor with a healthy shot
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posted June 14, 2009 07:05 PM
well do you guys think it will hold a 80 shot like it will a 40 shot at this elevation??
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posted June 14, 2009 09:28 PM
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Where was this dyno done and what is the altitude? What was the outside temperature at the time?
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posted June 15, 2009 07:54 AM
what is your current jetting?
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posted June 15, 2009 10:27 AM
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what is your current jetting?
im not to sure, its the biggest jet that came with my dyno tune kit. Im at work now but when i get back home ill pull it and check it out
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posted June 15, 2009 11:03 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 15 Jun 2009 19:04
Bill Eason is the guy to check with. He has sprayed some fairly big dry shots with a stock motor, if I recall. Kaw-Rick has sprayed at least 60 wet, with no springs.
Pistons and springs aside, injectors will limit you on a dry shot.
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posted June 15, 2009 11:26 AM
Thanks Shane'' Love the post of yours,any new tips, HEE HEE. I have used a 50 shot actual hp dry system with one of the good spray bars and valve springs. This is with q16 fuel and stock timing and i would not go any bigger stk. I have pushed these motors to 80 shots but they don't last long. They will melt cylinders at these levels and its a very expensive fix. If you have to go bigger then 50 dry and want it to live for a while run a wet system. I know of two 14's running them and im amazed how much and long they have stayed together
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posted June 15, 2009 01:37 PM
Bill Eason, what do you think of the following zx14 set-up:
stock valve springs
dyno tune kit 40 shot (spraying both ram air tube into a bmc race air filter)
stock timing
50%mr9, 50%mrxo1 fuel mix(using Brocks Maxton map)
stock plugs.
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posted June 15, 2009 02:19 PM
Edited By: billeason on 15 Jun 2009 22:27
I m glad to give any help i can here. I just share my experiences that i have had building these 14's. BLK ICE your set up is fine' with spraying threw both tubes softens the hit and the motor will handle it very well. However im not a fan of spray on mr-9 or mrxo1'' I have not tried mixing it but ran the mrxo1 with 40 shots and i was getting some detonation with stk 14's. I was using mps spyder,and adams bars trying to see if any difference in performance including detonation. I got no difference between the two. If you want to be safe run q16,its not the hp killer some accuse it of being and it won't gum up the works like either of the fuels you mentioned. I have used u4-2 but i still like the q16 better . I would be careful running the blend you asked about because its just not enough octane to be safe long term. If you need any more info just ask.................Bill
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posted June 15, 2009 02:22 PM
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Thanks Shane'' Love the post of yours,any new tips, HEE HEE. I have used a 50 shot actual hp dry system with one of the good spray bars and valve springs. This is with q16 fuel and stock timing and i would not go any bigger stk. I have pushed these motors to 80 shots but they don't last long. They will melt cylinders at these levels and its a very expensive fix. If you have to go bigger then 50 dry and want it to live for a while run a wet system. I know of two 14's running them and im amazed how much and long they have stayed together
ya i was planing on running c16 and maby pulling a few * of timing.
But i doubt ill do it, i was just wondering if my bike will hold a actual 215-220HP because thats all the power it would make on a 80shot
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posted June 15, 2009 02:43 PM
01 i have a guy running a 48 jet with his set up that works out to 95 hp or so and maybe he will chime in here but he races street so those guys don't like to give secrets. I am not sure but the nos in your elevation should not lose as much as you might think. It kinda makes its own oxygen so to speak. A 14 will laugh at 220 hp and live a long strong life,so if you use good fuel pull 2 degrees if you since knock but q16 or vp import does not allow much if any detonation if you run a 12.5-1 af ratio. I surely don't recommend running a 48 jet in a stk 14 but there is a few out there going strong, i can't understand it but i built them at customer requests so i know they are out there! ! ............Bill
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posted June 15, 2009 04:00 PM
Edited By: 01smokes on 16 Jun 2009 00:01
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01 i have a guy running a 48 jet with his set up that works out to 95 hp or so and maybe he will chime in here but he races street so those guys don't like to give secrets. I am not sure but the nos in your elevation should not lose as much as you might think. It kinda makes its own oxygen so to speak. A 14 will laugh at 220 hp and live a long strong life,so if you use good fuel pull 2 degrees if you since knock but q16 or vp import does not allow much if any detonation if you run a 12.5-1 af ratio. I surely don't recommend running a 48 jet in a stk 14 but there is a few out there going strong, i can't understand it but i built them at customer requests so i know they are out there! ! ............Bill
ya when i put in the 40Hp jet it gave me a actual 40HP and that brought my total actuel power to 173ish and just over 200 corrected.
I went and raced my bike down in Houston a few months back and it felt stronger on motor down there than it does on spray up here! I picked up 12 MPH down there on motor and i only pick up 9-10 MPH up here on spray
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