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posted June 07, 2009 07:43 PM
 Edited By: dubious on 8 Jun 2009 03:47
TURBO ? CHRIS JONES!
I have spent alot of time on the phone with Chris.
I just hooked up the secondary fuel injectors and TIAL blow off assembly I bought off him.
I am elated with the pieces I have gotten, and the information / insight he has provided.
The man is is a marvel!
He is putting out some beautiful work, and his bikes are definately making the power!
If you are serious about making some big power (300+) with a turbo and making it reliably, I would be sure to give him a call before you throw any money down.
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posted June 08, 2009 03:12 AM
My buddy is getting his bike done there as we speak, im thinking im gonna sell my bike now. Theres no way im gonna run with him when he gets his bike back. I seen what chris can do.
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posted June 08, 2009 05:09 AM
Does he have a web site? Off topic.... Lyle the new fender brackets worked Great. No clearance problems. ZX-10 carbon fiber fender looks good and my 14 runs 1 bar cooler in
traffic now. Have not had time to play with the Bazza tuning box yet. :-)
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posted June 08, 2009 07:16 AM
Edited By: dubious on 8 Jun 2009 15:16
Louis,
I don't think Chris has a website yet.
Glad to hear the brackets worked well for you!
You will notice the bike cools down much faster once moving too, frt wheel can be removed without taking fender off, and you can strap the bike down in the box of a truck without crushing the front of the fender.
more info on Chris here:
http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=4711&print=yes
http://www.shinkotireusa.com/newslist.php
http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=4724&z=9
I am very happy for Chris, couldn't happen to a nicer guy!
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posted June 08, 2009 10:00 AM
Plus one on those comments,chris works on my bike as well and all his work is flawless,taking my bike back to him next month to install my nitrous kit,can't wait to ride it then!!!!
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posted June 08, 2009 04:13 PM
Chris is a good guy. I have called him for advice on things and he has never hesitated to share his info. I am trying to get my motor completed by the Indy race so I can hand over my bike to him at Indy and he can save me a trip to Florida. His bikes are make a lot of power and they bake it up at the track.
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posted July 05, 2009 10:50 PM
Edited By: chrisrok on 6 Jul 2009 06:52
Hello, I do have a website but it is pretty much in the development stages at this point, but it has a few things in place. I will be working on it in my spare time. www.jonesperformancecycle.com
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posted July 06, 2009 02:50 AM
Best part about Chris Jones..... look at all of his hard work being displayed in the Super Street class. That right there tells you he knows what he is doing.
Super nice guy, i was able to chat with him for a couple of mins in Martin.
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posted July 06, 2009 04:37 AM
Chris is a good guy. I saw one of his bikes run this past Friday in Orlando. It was a Busa but it was very fast. Chris will always speak to you at the track and does'nt play the macho card.
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posted July 06, 2009 08:33 AM
Edited By: dubious on 6 Jul 2009 16:36
Thats the most impressive part.
He KNOWS what he is doing, yet isn't crusty like like most Guru's!
Extremely helpful, and outgoing.
When you make critical mods like a turbo, it is ESSENTIAL you have a GREAT relationship with the mechanic / builder.
Chris , much like Brock sets the standard and raise the bar for Public relations, and service IMO.
Destined for success.
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posted July 06, 2009 09:03 AM
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My buddy is getting his bike done there as we speak, im thinking im gonna sell my bike now. Theres no way im gonna run with him when he gets his bike back. I seen what chris can do.
i believe that depends on what kind of running you gonna be doing ..
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posted July 06, 2009 09:18 AM
???
If its corners, the biggest problem will be the airfilter, but your buddy will surpass any corner speed you can muster with straightline outright power!
All turbo bikes have reduced cornering clearance, especially ones with big fat GT35R's that can run on BIG boost without overheating the inlet temps like the weeny turbo's.
Chris has proven for outright starightline acceleration, his bikes are hard to beat.
When his bike is driving around Ricky Gadsen on the back half, it pretty hard to dispute!
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posted July 06, 2009 10:09 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 6 Jul 2009 18:12
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If its corners, the biggest problem will be the airfilter, but your buddy will surpass any corner speed you can muster with straightline outright power!
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your right .. next time your in Texas ''ill take my olde zzr1200 and you and your turbo to a twisty road i know... for lets say 500.00.. and there's straights on it in between the curves .. only 16 curves so that gives you 18 straights
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posted July 06, 2009 10:55 AM
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If its corners, the biggest problem will be the airfilter, but your buddy will surpass any corner speed you can muster with straightline outright power!
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your right .. next time your in Texas ''ill take my olde zzr1200 and you and your turbo to a twisty road i know... for lets say 500.00.. and there's straights on it in between the curves .. only 16 curves so that gives you 18 straights
It was a 1000 and you edited to 500 ? Hummm not so sure you can take him? lol...
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posted July 06, 2009 12:15 PM
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If its corners, the biggest problem will be the airfilter, quote]
About 3 " shorter then the ATP, which is 5" tall. So far I hit the footpegs, and the filter has not been touched... yet..
It is not pretty, but it solves the right corner issue, and seems to make no difference on mechanical intakes (turbos), that I can tell, or that the dyno has been able to tell, as well:
I have thoughts of mod'ing up another, fully flat to 14 skin, but larger, free form shape and or diameter... another project for 'later'
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posted July 06, 2009 01:13 PM
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It was a 1000 and you edited to 500 ? Hummm not so sure you can take him? lol...
with a zzr1200 i'm not 100% sure just 1/2 azz sure ..i do have a zx10 for a 1000.00 ..
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posted July 06, 2009 02:24 PM
Does anybody make a "Stealth" turbo, where the intake and other goodies are hidden?
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posted July 06, 2009 02:30 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 6 Jul 2009 22:32
yes cycle-logic makes a stealth using the stock airfilter ... i think mr turbo does both ..
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posted July 06, 2009 05:28 PM
Edited By: JDC on 7 Jul 2009 01:29
One thing nice about cyclelogics is that the exhaust is on the right side, so you can easily put on a muffler with no major PITA to fab a header down tube->twisted exhaust pipe.
I thought that the turbo was a different size than the ATP. I had thought smaller, but I am no longer sure.
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posted July 06, 2009 05:41 PM
The cycle logic compressor is quite a bit smaller
I am really suprised anyone has ran 14 psi and engine survived with all the inlet heat they create
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posted July 06, 2009 06:26 PM
14 psi is 14 psi no matter how you compress it weather its at 7k rpm or at 10k rpm .. i would like to find a temp gauge to put in the inlet to see what my temp is.. but just last friday nite at the track ...with 100+ temp in the shade i ran some my best numbers on 12lbs .. its not hard getting a turbo bike to survive 1/4 mile burst .. what i've yet to see is how many survive WOT 1 mile to 3 mile burst ..
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posted July 06, 2009 07:00 PM
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14 psi is 14 psi no matter how you compress it weather its at 7k rpm or at 10k rpm .. i would like to find a temp gauge to put in the inlet to see what my temp is.. but just last friday nite at the track ...with 100+ temp in the shade i ran some my best numbers on 12lbs .. its not hard getting a turbo bike to survive 1/4 mile burst .. what i've yet to see is how many survive WOT 1 mile to 3 mile burst ..
No, different compressors have different volutes, and different exducers, and wheels, and although 12 psi is 12 psi, how it is generated is not the same, some designs induce more heat. A compressor ran on the outer edges of the map, on the verge of surge, create much more heat.
The local tuner has also found the limitations of a few turbo's , mainly the cyclelogic, and has also realised that system will produce more than 12 PSI, but the pistons could not endure the excessive combustion temps, caused by excessive inlet air temperatures.
He did state that it made good power up to 12 PSI, then scratched his head in wonder why it was only making 40 more HP at 17 PSI, and then the pistons melted.
The cyclelogic is a great street kit, and good for 12 PSI, beyond that, the heat it creates is very hard on other components.
Similarly My GT30r from ATP is limited to about 20 PSI for the very same reasons.
A GT3571 creates the same heat at closer to 30 PSI however.
I found the same issue with my truck.
The stock turbo could be pushed to about 35 psi from stock 25 psi setting, then high inlet and egt's forced me to installed a bigger intercooler.
Once I turned it up above 35 psi, I realised from consulting with a local turbo repair and retail franchise, that the bigger VVT turbo ws needed to get my EGT's back to 1300f.
Now it regularly see's 45 psi, with the same egt and inlet temps it did stock with 25 psi.
I have a $8000 rebuilt transmission in with a stronger torque converter, and I don't think that one will last if I am not careful.
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posted July 06, 2009 07:08 PM
Chris and Fernadez are from right here in Bay Area (Central Florida) right?
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posted July 06, 2009 07:30 PM
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Chris and Fernadez are from right here in Bay Area (Central Florida) right?
Yes close ... Chris is up by Cheifland and John is in Tampa..
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posted July 07, 2009 12:46 PM
Edited By: JDC on 7 Jul 2009 22:31
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... beyond that, the heat it creates is very hard on other components.
Similarly My GT30r from ATP is limited to about 20 PSI for the very same reasons.
I have invented a solution to that problem:
It is a 450 watt peltier cooled turbo:
In fact, it is cold enough in the airbox now, that I have cold storage for my sandwich and beer... 
works like magic!
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