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posted June 02, 2009 12:16 PM
Window Switch question
Looking into purchashing a window switch for a small shot of NOS. I read pazx14's thread and he says he tapped into the tps sensor and coil #1. How does the tps pick up on what gear you are in? I want it to start to spray in 2nd gear @9,000 rpms and stop at 10,500. I am thinking that you have to wire the window switch into the gear indicator wires??? Activating it at WOT in 1st gear sound dangerous to me and I am at WOT almost instantly.
  
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posted June 02, 2009 12:40 PM
Guys I think the PCIII setup sounds better to use as a window switch. I need to know how to use it as such. I also don't understand how to wire a relay for two different maps?
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posted June 02, 2009 01:20 PM
It uses the Tps voltage so no throttle. your at .1 volt then at wide open throttle your at 4.8 volts. So what the window switch does is once you set it up so it sees a voltage say of 4.8 volts it counts that Wot and uses as gear position. the problem im running into is i uses a pingle shifter im wot once the whole track so for me to activate the system, i have to set the window switch for second gear. and foot shift 3rd gear to activate. if you planning on going with a shifter of anysort dont get a dynotune window switch. hope that was some help i might be selling mine.
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posted June 02, 2009 01:55 PM
I was thinking of an MSD window switch that uses pills. Seems simple to wire but dont know how too.
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posted June 02, 2009 03:55 PM
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I was thinking of an MSD window switch that uses pills. Seems simple to wire but dont know how too.
What system do you have or plan on getting? Like I said the dynotune system will work fine with their window switch until you start using an air or electric shifter. If you run it as a fogger system through the ram air tubes you can just add on the high side of the pc3. as for other system someone else could probably answer questions better than i can. Im not familiar with the msd hook up but im sure it cant be that different than the dynotune hook up.
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posted June 02, 2009 04:35 PM
I am going to go with the MPS spyder system. $450.00 I am looking closely at the Schnitz window switch after reading some other blogs. Thanks for the help
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14nooby
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posted June 02, 2009 04:40 PM
The Schnitz switch has rpm adjustment and can be set up to work off of the gear indicator. What type of delay are using after WOT?
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posted June 02, 2009 04:51 PM
you can input the rpm range for spray heres a link on the dynotune one that i have.
http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=288
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posted June 02, 2009 04:53 PM
Your not going to see volts higher then 3.90 or so on a 14. If you do you have something seriously wrong ! With that said i use the nos mini controller,its in my opinion a better system then just a window switch but you can use it as the window switch only if you want . It also can be tied to a gps for gear select activation. DJ works good also,just no progressive capabilities ...........................Bill
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posted June 02, 2009 05:00 PM
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Your not going to see volts higher then 3.90 or so on a 14. If you do you have something seriously wrong ! With that said i use the nos mini controller,its in my opinion a better system then just a window switch but you can use it as the window switch only if you want . It also can be tied to a gps for gear select activation. DJ works good also,just no progressive capabilities ...........................Bill
Your right Bill it was a 3.8 or 3.5 volt signal at WOT. does that nos controller pulse the selenoids and give the abillity to ramp up over so many seconds?? Thats what im looking for before i sell my dynotune window switch.
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posted June 02, 2009 08:40 PM
14Nooby for your second (nitruos) map off a hub , take a feed that activates your solenoid in parralel to also power the relay coil . Then use the normaly open (N.O.) contacts instead of a switch.to bring in the nitrous map only when spraying. . Be aware that some window switches switch the neutral instead of the active, . A stock zx14 motor can take a 40 shot .
I think a pc/hub will only activate and not turn off the nitrous , so a window switch is good to prevent spraying if you hit the rev limiter!!!
Use NGK CR10EK plugs with a .02 / .025 gap.
Im stock wheelbase and bring on a 40 shot in third at WOT./ I'm not a good enough rider to handle it in second.
Goodluck!
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posted June 02, 2009 08:53 PM
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Your not going to see volts higher then 3.90 or so on a 14. If you do you have something seriously wrong ! With that said i use the nos mini controller,its in my opinion a better system then just a window switch but you can use it as the window switch only if you want . It also can be tied to a gps for gear select activation. DJ works good also,just no progressive capabilities ...........................Bill
+1 on the nos controller...it's on my 'to do' list.
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posted June 02, 2009 10:46 PM
Pazx14rider , I'm using a Dynotune window switch and a quickshifter ,what problems did you mean I may run into ? Thanks.
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posted June 03, 2009 05:58 AM
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Pazx14rider , I'm using a Dynotune window switch and a quickshifter ,what problems did you mean I may run into ? Thanks.
The Dynotune window switch uses the Tps/ wot for a gear shift input. so when your using a shifter...you are wot once all the way down the track. so if you set that window switch to first gear and whatever rpm you desire its going to spray in first gear no matter what. So say you want it to spray at the top of second or third gear...your either going to have to let off the throttle or footshift atleast once to get it to activate the windowswitch.
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posted June 03, 2009 10:14 AM
But mine seems to work , even got empty bottles! I'm confused????
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posted June 03, 2009 12:57 PM
What are you doing to get it to spray at the top of third gear? are you using the gear input of the window switch wired into the tps?
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posted June 03, 2009 05:32 PM
nos mini controller
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Your not going to see volts higher then 3.90 or so on a 14. If you do you have something seriously wrong ! With that said i use the nos mini controller,its in my opinion a better system then just a window switch but you can use it as the window switch only if you want . It also can be tied to a gps for gear select activation. DJ works good also,just no progressive capabilities ...........................Bill
Your right Bill it was a 3.8 or 3.5 volt signal at WOT. does that nos controller pulse the selenoids and give the abillity to ramp up over so many seconds?? Thats what im looking for before i sell my dynotune window switch.
Yes, the mini is all that and more. It has two channels also this allows you to run two stages if you want,and it will pulse the solenoids done to 30% accurate,which is good considering most wont do under 50%. Example on one of the nos 14's i did i have it come on at 1,5 second delay and it hits at 50% and ramps up to 100% in 3 seconds . This is a stk motor with springs and 50 shot dry at 64 inches. The bike runs 8.60's at 157 with a 260 lb jockey. I use this controller on all the nos builds and never had a failure yet in four years. Very good unit..................Bill
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posted June 08, 2009 11:52 PM
On the dynotune window switch that I have , gear lockout is activated by how many times you select to go past the nitrous spray deactivation RPM / this is taken from coil # 1
The WOT /TPS just prevents spraying unless at WOT .
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posted June 09, 2009 12:53 PM
forgot to add that this makes the Dynotune window switch OK for use with quickshifters.
I feel it is a good waterproof cheap and small unit for those using a 40 shot l ike me who dont want extra expense of a progressive controller / only my opinion.
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