blackbullet76
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posted May 19, 2009 10:45 PM
about ready for a manual cam chain tensioner
My hydraulic one isn't working too good. Sometimes the start up rattle lasts longer than it should. Tonight when I started it, the rattling continued for almost a minute, so I cut it off. When I fired it back up, it done it for a second and stopped like it's supposed to. Figured I'd see what yall think about the APE piece.
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted May 19, 2009 11:01 PM
Well other than the fact that the manual tensioner will be another part of the regular maintainence and that it must be adjusted properly as to not be too tight or too loose . It should cure all the problems of the dreaded start up rattle ...which mine does once in a blue moon lol 
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posted May 20, 2009 04:02 AM
Rattling for a minute is a bad thing. You need to get that looked at. My 09 C14 blew it's motor with less than a 1/2 mile on the clock, and the 1st thing I heard just before that was a cam chain tensioner rattling badly for about 15 seconds...then it was bye bye motor.
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posted May 20, 2009 08:22 AM
I think the manuel tensioner is a worth while mod. While it will have to be adjusted periodicly, I ran mine for 2 years and 13K miles with the "installed settiing" before I
even went back in to check it.
I say install one ... check it with every valve adjustment you do and you'll be fine !
Bob
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Old Guy
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posted May 20, 2009 09:14 AM
My experience is simular to Bobs.
Was pretty nervous first time setting it though
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posted May 20, 2009 12:11 PM
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My hydraulic one isn't working too good. Sometimes the start up rattle lasts longer than it should. Tonight when I started it, the rattling continued for almost a minute, so I cut it off. When I fired it back up, it done it for a second and stopped like it's supposed to. Figured I'd see what yall think about the APE piece.
You need to talk to Bill, 14 cannons about this!!!!!
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blackbullet76
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posted May 20, 2009 03:09 PM
Hmm, maybe I need to let the dealer look at it since I got the extended warranty with it. Thanks.
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PCIII w/track map
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Flies removed
16 tooth front sprocket
Speedohealer
APE cam chain tensioner
Vortex rearsets
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billeason
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posted May 20, 2009 05:16 PM
Blackbullet76'' FBA is wright. If the noise continues that long something is going wrong. At first when we replaced the oem tensioner with the manual tensioner the theory was the stocker would fail,and they will with cams and or hd springs. The manual is not the real fix either because if you check it closely when installed' you will see that it actually hits the guide slightly off center. The more you have to adjust it the further it cocks the guide off center. This is with more lift and heavier springs as thats mostly what we build but i know of two 14's that lost the motor due to chain failure!! Its my belief that the 14 chain is not that good for heavy modded motors. I have talked to Eddie K, at vance/hines at length about this and when i get the spec's/pitch he is going to make a better chain if possible for these motors. The busa chain is a link wider and would be a low buck fix but its to long. I don't think you will have a problem with a stocker,but it is a weak link in the chain. HEE HEE........
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blackbullet76
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posted May 20, 2009 06:22 PM
Well, since I don't plan on doing any more mods to mine, will a manual tensioner be ok for me? I don't mind adjusting it from time to time. I had one on my 01 zx6r.
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Brocks s-meg exhaust
PCIII w/track map
BMC race filter
Flies removed
16 tooth front sprocket
Speedohealer
APE cam chain tensioner
Vortex rearsets
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billeason
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posted May 20, 2009 07:16 PM
I haven't seen any failures on stk motors any way! I would however be concerned if yours is wrapping for the length of time you mentioned above. The manual tensioner will stop the noise i would guess,but whats the underlying cause? Might want to have that looked at..............Bill
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Mark524
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posted May 20, 2009 07:59 PM
If you decide to go with a manual tensioner, I have one to sell
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serius blk
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posted May 21, 2009 12:31 AM
well my chain broke. Ive done nothing with the motor its stock. Maybe the 12 tensioner mod may be a option. Can anyone chime in that no more about it.
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posted May 21, 2009 07:49 AM
do these bike break cam chains? my 08 has 14k on it,brocks mods,,it runs really good,,the only problem i ever had was the valve cover leaking,,i replace the gasket with the new type n shimed it up with washers,,but it still leaks,,i was thinking on using some kind of gasket sealer,,what kind of gasket sealer should i use?
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blackbullet76
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posted May 21, 2009 11:46 AM
I think I'll buy a new one, they're only like $60. Thanks though.
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PCIII w/track map
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Flies removed
16 tooth front sprocket
Speedohealer
APE cam chain tensioner
Vortex rearsets
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posted May 21, 2009 05:04 PM
12 mod
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well my chain broke. Ive done nothing with the motor its stock. Maybe the 12 tensioner mod may be a option. Can anyone chime in that no more about it.
The 12 tensioner will need to be modified to work, but it will get rid of the start up noise. I have to many 14's come in here with the chains just starting to kink up. Its something to look out for on a motor thats leaned on some. I haven't seen a stocker break one,but i have one here now and the chain is starting to kink. The only mod on motor is manual tensioner...................Bill
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posted May 21, 2009 05:24 PM
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. I haven't seen a stocker break one,but i have one here now and the chain is starting to kink. The only mod on motor is manual tensioner...................Bill
who installed it ..
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posted May 21, 2009 07:31 PM
Call Bob Carpenter pretty sure he sells the modified 12 tensioner which he uses in his 14 motors.
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blackbullet76
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posted May 21, 2009 07:58 PM
Does the 12 tensioner have a ratcheting style design? That's how the stock one on my 01 zx6r was.
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PCIII w/track map
BMC race filter
Flies removed
16 tooth front sprocket
Speedohealer
APE cam chain tensioner
Vortex rearsets
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posted May 22, 2009 03:37 PM
My tensioner is also rattling a little more now.
I have the Concours tensioner sitting out in my truck. I am hesitant to install it because you have to remove the valve cover and such to install it because you need to poke to retainer away to release it.
Not much room under there!!!
I have access to the APE unit also.....
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posted May 22, 2009 06:27 PM
Just bought an APE manual, will install tomorrow. Raced a CBR 1000 RR in first gear and on the shut down in first, chain rattled like a dog. The gear driven CBR 250 RR is far superior in design. Have hated autos for a very long time.
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posted May 23, 2009 10:13 PM
30k on my 07 zx14 and it rattles for about 5-10 seconds.....no concern here!!!
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