LLcooljebb
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posted May 15, 2009 12:07 AM
117 in a 30?! How much was that ticket? lol
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blkrx7
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posted May 15, 2009 06:47 AM
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blkrx7, mine has same cracks, found them when removing flies 2000 miles, have 13000 now & havent seem to change any. Mines never seen 12:00 wheelies,it happened shortly after i bought it, or they were their when i bought it, was the first time i had it apart that far.
Man, that's fantastic news for me. I don't suppose you've ever taken a photo of it? Any chance I could beg you to peel off the batwing and george forman to take a quick snap? That with a VIN, would go a long, long way to getting me some kind of resolution to this.
Plus, if we can get a few of these frames pushed through, anyone with that crack could reasonbly cite past cases and get theirs replaced, no questions asked. Yourself included.
I've put hands on an 09 frame now, and can tell you, it's a totally diffrent animal than my 06. The casting looks like it's 75% better quality, very smooth with no occlusions. I had a few real weird looking weld defects on mine that just looked like aweful QC.
Anyone else with an 06/07, if you happen to be changing plugs, or the airfilter, or have 5 minutes to spare, take a quick peek with a flashlight up under the neck. I think you might be surprised. And i'd love to hear about it.
Paul
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117 in a 30
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posted May 15, 2009 11:29 AM
just checked valves last night, didnt have camera handy but i will tear it down again and snap some photos , although mine are not as easy to see as yours they are there. I also have a crack you cant see on the engine side of battery box that i just found on horizontal weld, the only reason i know its there is seepage of oil from inside of airbox coming though the weld ever so slight of a greasy spot but only from the weld down. This one concerns me a little more as it must be right in the weld i cant see a crack but it has to be there as per the tell tale oil, my air box has never been oil flogged from over filling just a little greasy once and a while. I try and get pics today if i can . my ser# is jkbzxna196a009442, mine has not been in for recall check, I never got a letter on it , and have always kept eye on those areas,and wouldnt let local dealership set my mirrors let alone turn wrench on any machine i pilot.
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117 in a 30
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posted May 15, 2009 11:52 AM
LLcooljeb , $970.00 it was that or a reckless he gave me choice,and speeding tickets in South dakota dont put points on your lic,it was easy choice. we have about 2 block long tunnel with ceramic tiles on the walls and ceiling running under I-229 ,no intersections for 4 block either direction, the sound of smeg is almost orgasmic LOL . it was 2 am , no traffic couldnt help myself. told the officer "glad i wasnt really getting on it, he did not find humor in that, he asked what i thought i was doing ? I asked him if he would believe i was just cleaning it and it went off? he did snicker a little at that . and ive found it never hurts to make em smile if you can, when you know your screwed anyway. he said my only saving grace was the one that could have been hurt was me, and he never heard that answer before. needless to say i try and avoid that tunnel now .If you find yourself going through Sioux Falls SD, 57th st and I-229 take the tunnel the tiles make the acoustics almost worth the ticket. with a pack of bikes even better LOL.
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blkrx7
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posted May 15, 2009 02:07 PM
Thanks 117, much appreciated. All i'm expecting is a white hairline down the gusset  It's almost impossible to see, and only co-incidence I was looking real careful in the first place.
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LLcooljebb
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posted May 15, 2009 09:03 PM
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If you find yourself going through Sioux Falls SD, 57th st and I-229 take the tunnel the tiles make the acoustics almost worth the ticket. with a pack of bikes even better LOL.
I'm from the Sioux City area originally...planning on taking the zx back there sometime...I'll have to check out that tunnel (sans ticket)!
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117 in a 30
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posted May 16, 2009 06:08 AM
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117 in a 30
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posted May 16, 2009 06:12 AM
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117 in a 30
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posted May 16, 2009 06:43 AM
sorry about 1st pic , it is 1 trying to show oil coming through horizontal weld,my camera is crap and both areas are tough to light up and get good pics, OK maybe the fact that it was 4 am & the V.O. sours have turned into just V.O.s, LOL
I am truly E-TARD so i must thank flyboy for the how to post pics for dummys thread it worked!
so I will try 1 one more hope this helps you blkrx7. when i found them it looked like what flatoutbu said ,except on the ends of seam it is cracked through powdercoat . I will get better camera today and try to post some better pics later. heres one more for now. blkrx7 did want pic of vin# ?
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bigdtd
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posted May 16, 2009 08:14 AM
look the place dropped your bike, now there is damage it is their bad. who knows if they are telling you the whole story. if they dropped my bike they would own it. typical incompetent dealer.
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blkrx7
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posted May 16, 2009 08:16 AM
 Edited By: blkrx7 on 16 May 2009 16:17
Absolutely stellar 117, many thanks! I'll let you know if the dealer needs anything else, though I suspect this is going to do fine.
Anyone else with an 06/07 care to take a peek under the neck? 
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smokinZX14
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posted May 16, 2009 08:22 AM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 16 May 2009 16:44
Ok guys back up a few seconds .... I have my 06 all apart now because i'm putting it all back to stock ...My bike has the same mark or crack as you guys are calling it ....The crack or Mark is down the center of the brace that supports the upper motor mount ... It is NOT a crank but a mark from the casting of the part .. Even if the brace was cracked all the way down to the frame it would NOT cause a problem ...It a simple brace for the motor mount and NOT a frame crack or a problem ....The brace is a little stamped triangle that is welding in place , it not part of the frame.( Untill it welded into place ..).. It's a part made to be a simple support for the motor mount
My 06 has been run harder that any zx14 made ... 12:00 Oclock slam downs , tank slappers .. Plus my 06 has well over 1000 1/4 mile passes as well as many top end runs ... Nobody beats on a zx14 harder than me so if anyone going to have a problem it would be me ...
What you guys are looking at is NOTHING !! Put your bike back together and ride it ...You can pull apart every 06 07 zx14 and you are going to find the same mark on the very same place and part ...That is the way it's made ...I'm sorry guys i should have looked at this when i first saw this post .. If i would have looked sooner this would have come to an end and not upset 1000s of 06 07 zx14 owners for NO reason ..
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blkrx7
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posted May 16, 2009 09:27 AM
Smokin, 117's had no issues with his and continues to ride. I'm the one who's got his panties in a twist so to speak.
Wether or not it's important, I have no clue, i'm not an engineer, and totally unqualified to guess. Might last the life of the machine. Might not.
But, it answers my origional question, that this isn't 'accident damage', and I know exactly where to go with it.
I'm sure a hell of a lot happier riding on a replacement frame by the looks of how far it's come since the 06's were released. Hopefully, it'll be looked after, and anyone who's bored on the down-season can get these cracked frames replaced on KHI's dime.
Regardless of how unimportant the tab may be, a cracked anything on a stock bike shouldn't be par for the course. I'll directly ask the rep if I get to talk to him if this warrants replacement and is unsafe, or if this is a one off because i'm a sqeeky wheel it's being looked at.
Paul
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted May 16, 2009 10:36 AM
Very interesting read. I remember seeing those marks on mine since the 1st week of owning my 14 . Cause i just had to tear mine apart to see what she's made of 
The marks are still there and not changing after almost 50,000 miles of hard use and with 3 wrecks with 2 of them being total losses. I think something bad would have happened to my frame marks already . But that's just my opinion ...
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117 in a 30
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posted May 16, 2009 06:13 PM
I think it is just as smokin said , gusset / brace factory just used 2 triangle peices sandwiched together then welded in .2 pieces instead of 1. maybe for rigidity I don'tknow, but as long as the welds that attach it to frame have good penetration ,and they look like they do, should not be a problem , they found no reason to weld seam as powder coat covered it and its not an issue,.
As far as when or how or why it happened? vibrations ,harmonics , from assembly or the bike itself . again just a theory and im no expert but have seen harmonics snap steel bigblock crank because some genius at machine shop balanced it with fluid damper instead of stock one,no rods and pistons creating torsional harmonics snapped right behind gear for geardirve.so think its possible that ever so slight unevenness of edge of brace it could crack powdercoat there? . And its in a spot that unless your beside bike on lift and looking with just right lighting it never gets noticed, mine look like nothing unless flashlight is held just right .Most of the guys on here have HANDS-ON knowledge of this machine, if it was a problem trust me there would be threads. blkrx7 hopefully its nothing , i know if my bike fell off lift and then i found em, it would make me wonder. Hope it all turns out for you. anything else ya need just holler ill be glad to help if i can.
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KaiBosh
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posted May 17, 2009 05:25 AM
I agree that this looks like a factory defect and you just need to find a welder you trust to take care of it. Never mind going through Kawasaki, you will never be happy in the end going that route.
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bigdtd
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posted May 17, 2009 05:28 AM
just ride it
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Bently
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posted May 17, 2009 05:41 AM
Yes I have my 06 apart right know and have the same thing and as smoking said it is not going to hurt anything, I'm guessing they are all like that. and I sure would not want my bike torn completely apart to have a new frame installed for this problem. bigger chance of other stuff being wrong after that.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted May 18, 2009 05:42 AM
Mine looks just like 117 in a 30's pic.
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jkirk77
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posted May 18, 2009 11:33 AM
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sorry for the problem. it may seem like a lot of work but you might just be better off welding it up yourself. after dealing with kawi and a dealer i chose to weld it up myself.my frame cracked at the recall point.after having motor work done by jem motorsports in ma. they reused connecting rod bolts and nuts they covered their a##es with no shame.and kawi was no help at all. consider shipping and stripping the bike down and kawi dragging their a##es and they could tell you to screw .it might be something to think about.my frame broke right in the middle of the bead. never seen anything like that either.
Hi Jay,
My 2006 ZX-14 was purchases from JEM. Are you saying that the cracks on the frame came about from motor work performed by JEM? JEM did the recall on my ZX-14 and it passed.
thanks,
Kirt
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