zerotahero
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posted May 05, 2009 07:40 PM
m-10 or m-14
which muzzys system makes the most power m10 or m14 just curious to see which makes more.
  
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06redzx14
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posted May 05, 2009 07:48 PM
 Edited By: 06redzx14 on 6 May 2009 03:50
m14 with m10 can, oh and before they start use the money you save over the brock's system and get it custom mapped I've tried both brock's and muzzy
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Shane661
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posted May 05, 2009 07:49 PM
M14 is a header design, M10 a muffler design...
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Bawls
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posted May 05, 2009 08:03 PM
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m14 with m10 can, oh and before they start use the money you save over the brock's system and get it custom mapped I've tried both brock's and muzzy
that 65 bucks is going to get you a dyno pull with no tuning... sorry 
now if you don't want the M-10 muffler, you can have a great exhaust for 799.95 (m-14 with aluminum canister) or 899.95 (m-14 with stainless canister.
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01smokes
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posted May 05, 2009 08:26 PM
ether one will get you great numbers i went with the muzzy i have a friend that went with the brocks we put them on the dyno they made within 1hp of each other and both of the mapping was fucked up big time, the AFR on my bike went deep into the 14s a few times and the brock map went low 15s on the AFRs at some spots
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06redzx14
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posted May 06, 2009 05:34 AM
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m14 with m10 can, oh and before they start use the money you save over the brock's system and get it custom mapped I've tried both brock's and muzzy
that 65 bucks is going to get you a dyno pull with no tuning... sorry
now if you don't want the M-10 muffler, you can have a great exhaust for 799.95 (m-14 with aluminum canister) or 899.95 (m-14 with stainless canister.
negative, $799.96 @ star cycle now it's 1065-800=$265. tuning around here is $200 @ third coast speed or $250 @ honda of lafayette.  remember I said I tried both had an M10 that I sold too quick now have an Alien head.
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Shane661
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posted May 06, 2009 05:43 AM
I sold my M14 and got a Shortmeg...no regrets...
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01smokes
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posted May 06, 2009 05:58 AM
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I sold my M14 and got a Shortmeg...no regrets...
didnt you pick up like a MPH with the short meg and the wheels
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Shane661
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posted May 06, 2009 06:00 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 6 May 2009 14:11
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I sold my M14 and got a Shortmeg...no regrets...
didnt you pick up like a MPH with the short meg and the wheels
I ran about 4 mph faster, on average...closer to 5 mph at the 1/8th. I didn't have lower fairings on, so that probably cost me a little on top.
Last year, under similar or better conditions I averaged 117-118 at the 1/8th. Last week 121-122..with a high of 122.96. 1/4 mile speed last year 145-146 average, last week 148-150. 149.75, first pass...and a top of speed of 150.5. Lot's of factors, but suffice it to say that I am happy with the Brock parts and the weight lost (5 lbs. on the exhaust). I was also happy with the M14 when I had it...but due to the lack of map support it isn't quite the bargain that people make it out to be.
If you do your own mapping with a logger, or pay for the custom map, I'm sure it wlll make the power.
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06redzx14
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posted May 06, 2009 06:17 AM
don't forget about the weight you and the bike lost. I haven't seen anything from my switch. no need for map support just get it customed tuned with the money saved. those maps may work for some, but down here in Louisiana with the heat and humidity those maps aren't worth the extra at least to me. tried both track and street
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Shane661
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posted May 06, 2009 06:31 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 6 May 2009 14:36
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don't forget about the weight you and the bike lost. I haven't seen anything from my switch. no need for map support just get it customed tuned with the money saved. those maps may work for some, but down here in Louisiana with the heat and humidity those maps aren't worth the extra at least to me. tried both track and street
Do you think that 65 lbs. is good for 5 mph at the 1/8th?
Maybe it is?? More likely, the Brock map is better than what I had with the Muzzy. I am near sea level and the map works well for me.
I didn't say I was unhappy with the Muzzy...01smokes thought I gained like 1 mph with the wheels and pipe...I was just clarifying...
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kawasakijockey
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posted May 06, 2009 06:39 AM
Shane, 65 lbs. is good for about .3 in the 1/4 but I couldnt tell you the mph formulas. Also, arent you running a different gear than last year?
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Shane661
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posted May 06, 2009 06:42 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 6 May 2009 14:46
I'm running 16/43 instead of 16/45. I'm not getting into the throttle nearly as quickly, either.
65 lbs. = .3?? I've never heard of it being that much...I've heard .1 for 30-35 lbs...
I don't know what the big debate is here? I switched pipes and I'm happy with the switch. We all know that an M14 could likely make the power of a Brock...if properly mapped.
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06redzx14
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posted May 06, 2009 06:53 AM
sorry, I kinda took it like you had joined the brock's mob squad that thinks it ain't right if it ain't brock's
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Shane661
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posted May 06, 2009 06:54 AM
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sorry, I kinda took it like you had joined the brock's mob squad that thinks it ain't right if it ain't brock's
Not at all...
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kawasakijockey
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posted May 06, 2009 07:04 AM
Edited By: kawasakijockey on 6 May 2009 15:07
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I'm running 16/43 instead of 16/45. I'm not getting into the throttle nearly as quickly, either.
65 lbs. = .3?? I've never heard of it being that much...I've heard .1 for 30-35 lbs...
I don't know what the big debate is here? I switched pipes and I'm happy with the switch. We all know that an M14 could likely make the power of a Brock...if properly mapped.
The rule I always knew was 20lbs per .10 on 1100cc and smaller and 30lbs. per .10 for larger cc. The Gadsons says 20-25lbs no matter what. Who am I to argue with those guys...
My mph was 1 higher with the 43 than the 44. Maybe it was something about where I was going wot..
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Shane661
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posted May 06, 2009 07:07 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 6 May 2009 15:24
If it's 20 lbs per .10, I am going to focus even more on weight loss. 
With all of my changes, I ran basically the same ET with a .16 slower 60 ft.. So, that would probably be about .25 difference...but then there is the different gearing, pipe, wheels. And the conditions in October were better than what I had last week...and I had no lower fairings on the bike last week, either...which probably affected mph (#44 and #58):
So, who knows? But back to the original...I doubt 65 lbs. alone is good for 5 mph at the 1/8th...
And back even more...the best Muzzy setup would likely be the M14 header...with the M10 muffler. The old style M10 system will not make as much power as the M14 header setup.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted May 06, 2009 08:28 AM
Star Cycle still is honoring the price I paid for my M14 w/ SS oval canister. $720.00! Great deal for someone. You gotta ignore there description in the text, though. They used the same test for every exhaust that uses the M14 header.
http://www.starcycle-usa.com/servlet/Detail?no=22291
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted May 06, 2009 08:31 AM
ZeroToHero lets get together with Gilberjj and you can ride his with the Alien Head Brocks, and mine with the Muzzy M14/ SS oval canister and both with there respective manufacturers mapping. Decide for yourself. email me at
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gilberjj
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posted May 06, 2009 09:27 AM
That's a great idear sticks. I have no problem doing that. I'll be emailing you too.... I really need to get my bike back to the 17t front sprocket, my bike just wants to wheelie now with the 16t front.
Just so you're aware..... They muzzy m10 is different then the muzzy m14/m10. The original m10 is about 6ish hp down on the m14 from what I've heard and seen. The original m10 protrudes down below the oil pan, doesn't have very good welds, and has small primaries. The m14 is the new header and midpipe design. The headers are now tig welded with high quality, they are larger primaries (which is probably why the m14 makes a lot more hp), and the m14 is tucked nicely under the oil pan. You can get the m14 in several different configurations, with a stainless oval muffler, aluminum muffler, m10 muffler, or titanium gp style muffler. The sidewinder is also under the m14 flag, but shouldn't really be considered of the m14 family in my opinion....
by the way: Sticks, unless you changed something, you just have the m14, not m10/m14. The m10 refers to the gp muffler like this one...
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posted May 06, 2009 09:38 AM
Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 6 May 2009 17:40
Yeah, I realized that awhile ago when someone posted a M10 muffler up and I was like WTF? I have the baseline oval canister off of the M10 header setup, which is also used on the M14 header. BUT the muffler listed as a M10 is a megaphone. Confusing! I called Rob Muzzy, he said in reality the hp differential between the M10 megaphone and oval canister I have is MAYBE 1 hp, but the megaphone places its weight lower down. He did NOT say that the megaphone was lighter, though. Hmm...
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Shane661
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posted May 06, 2009 09:44 AM
I think the M10 muffler setup may be lighter, based on what Tech73x posted. I'd like to know for sure though...
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted May 06, 2009 09:52 AM
here's the deal: I'll pull mine off, from midpipe back, weigh it on a home scale and take picture of it. Then I'll stack up enough full soda cans to match the weight, and take a picture of that also. That will be our calibration standard, figure cans of Pepsi or Pepsi product (in case different manufacturers use different weight cans).
Sound good? Do I have someone with a M10 megaphone who will weigh theres? Include ALL hardwear used too, including the header to midpipe clamp!
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reevesmreeves
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posted May 06, 2009 09:55 AM
i don't think it's lighter at all. i had the muzzy carbon oval canisters and one of them weighed as much as the m10 can.
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Shane661
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posted May 06, 2009 10:01 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 6 May 2009 18:02
Well, the one Tech73 weighed was a few pounds lighter than what I measured with the stainless oval.
I measured the weight of my stainless oval m14 system precisely. It was significanly heavier that my Shortmeg.
Shane
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