kawasakijockey
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posted March 23, 2009 09:19 AM
Cycle Logic lock-up revisited.
Just a heads up on running the CL lockup without the weights on the arms, it did not hold. I lost 2 mph on motor and 4 mph on the 30shot. Mind you, I am 230 suited ,16/44 gear,and have the stock clutch springs. Added 6g weight which is 1.5g less than original weight and got mph back but without the wheelies 30 ft out. Still need more static to move off the line as the 60ft is still very lazy. I didnt bring heavy springs with me to swap a few out. More static could have brought up the mph a little, I dont know really. Pulled the clutches out to check specs and conditions last night just to make sure they were not the issue of why it didnt hold. They still check out great. Anyway, just something for anybody my size or bigger to know before going with arm weight alone especially if spraying nitrous. The lightest steel weight setup I could find is 6grams. Dont know about aluminum.
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9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
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Shane661
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posted March 23, 2009 09:28 AM
I don't know why you would lose any mph on motor...the stock springs should hold it ok on motor.
What was your mph?
What was your spring setup before you went to stock?
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 23, 2009 09:49 AM
In hot air 148 mph w/lockup, 146 without on motor. The springs before were all 5 Schnitz hd. All of this was done at the track on the same day with a number of back-up passes to check it out.
Now I need to play with the static a bit by finding those oil plug washers.
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2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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Shane661
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posted March 23, 2009 09:51 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 23 Mar 2009 17:53
You mean 146 with lockup, stock springs vs. 148 for heavy schnitz?
I bought some washers to shim up the stock springs a little (for feel). It looks like I may just put the lock up in as-is, fully loaded.
What rpm are you launching at?
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 23, 2009 10:01 AM
I mean 146 w/stock springs and lockup with no weights, and 148 with stock springs and 6g weight back on. I was launching at my normal 4500 rpm. I tried 5500 lauches but sailed the wheel immediately on the stock springs. Still at 64 inches too.
What kind of washers did you use?
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2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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Shane661
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posted March 23, 2009 10:33 AM
I got some from Mcmaster Carr, they are pretty thin. My plan is to run the same overall static as using 3 brocks spacers. But by using the thin washers I can spread the force out evenly. I bought a tool to measure spring pressure, but I have to get a little press to use it.
I know you said it was hard to launch with full weight on the arms. I also launch around 4500 w 16/45 and a tall tire.
Shane
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posted March 23, 2009 10:43 AM
Edited By: KZScott on 23 Mar 2009 18:46
shouldnt stock springs hold the mph without a lock up? is the hydraulic setup working properly? there was a guy at the track with a busa that was having issues with the clutch slipping, i think it was caused by a problem with the master cylinder?
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 23, 2009 10:45 AM
If my wheelbase would have been an inch or so longer I may not have had the wheelie issues at all. That was the only problem with the lockup. With your tall tire our gearing could be the same.
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 23, 2009 10:47 AM
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shouldnt stock springs hold the mph without a lock up?
I'm sure they would hold fine for a lighter weight person.
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2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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Shane661
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posted March 23, 2009 11:08 AM
I think our setups are very similar....for now. My bike is getting very light up front, so I am anticipating some wheelie issues....
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posted March 23, 2009 12:24 PM
quote:
Just a heads up on running the CL lockup without the weights on the arms, it did not hold. I lost 2 mph on motor and 4 mph on the 30shot. Mind you, I am 230 suited ,16/44 gear,and have the stock clutch springs. Added 6g weight which is 1.5g less than original weight and got mph back but without the wheelies 30 ft out. Still need more static to move off the line as the 60ft is still very lazy. I didnt bring heavy springs with me to swap a few out. More static could have brought up the mph a little, I dont know really. Pulled the clutches out to check specs and conditions last night just to make sure they were not the issue of why it didnt hold. They still check out great. Anyway, just something for anybody my size or bigger to know before going with arm weight alone especially if spraying nitrous. The lightest steel weight setup I could find is 6grams. Dont know about aluminum.
Thanks for the heads up. I was going to pull the weights off my CL lock-up as well, but I guess I'll do like Shane and just stick it in as-is 
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 23, 2009 12:33 PM
All you can do is try it as it is and see what it does. The arms just seem light. If it locks up to early you can always lighten the weight.
I have a correction to make about the steel bolt/nut weight. The lightest I have just found and weighed is 5.7g .
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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posted March 23, 2009 04:28 PM
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 23, 2009 04:43 PM
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We waitin' on the same guy??
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9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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posted March 23, 2009 04:58 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 24 Mar 2009 00:58
I hear a sound in the distance....
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posted March 23, 2009 05:10 PM
Edited By: SteddyTeddy on 24 Mar 2009 01:11
Your setting yours up different than I did. With the lighter stock springs you will have to learn to launch it harder to get your 60's back. If your just running it to hold the NOS, your going to have to tune the arms to where you like it and it doesn't throw you up in a wheelie. If you add more static spring, that will just cause the lockup to engage that much sooner.
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Shane661
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posted March 23, 2009 05:18 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 24 Mar 2009 01:19
I'm still having a hard time believing it slipped with no weights on it...a lot of experienced guys thought it would hold...
No chance of any other factors??
Also, when you say "lazy" 60 ft...how slow?
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posted March 23, 2009 05:26 PM
It most likely didn't slip. Just engaged latter up the RPM's. I would just find a setting that feels good to you. Your still relying on your clutch hand so tune for your riding style.
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 23, 2009 07:16 PM
I dont jump to conclusions usually without testing and testing again. I made 4 passes both ways. I have decided to just have the lockup come in later pretty much as you are saying Teddy, which seems to be at the 50ft mark now. We will see what comes this weekend since I've added static which makes sense to say the lockup will come in sooner especially with the low gearing of 16/44. I find this all calculating,interesting, and challenging too. Heavy on the challenging.
Shane, Nox said it would hold even with the 30 shot but the mph was off with the same 60ft times. 1.51 was all I could do and it honestly felt lazy off the line but the 330 time dropped and the 1/4mph went up with the weight on so that was telling me it slipped a little. Trying higher rev launches lifted the wheel too much and killed the 60ft. I think the slowest was a 1.59.
Hey, I'm learning this lockup stuff so throw all you got at me. I won't get my feelings hurt in the learning process. this would all be a mute issue if I would just go to 66inches. But I am hard headed like that...
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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posted March 23, 2009 07:19 PM
I would have gone down one tooth in the rear and left the lockup as is ..I think that would have fixed the wheely problem .. Now send me 4.00 pay pal for the info That should cover me for a hot dog and coke ... Right Teddy ...lol..
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 23, 2009 07:31 PM
lol..It's a deal Lee! You may be right in the end about it anyway..
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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posted March 24, 2009 04:09 AM
lol Last week Lee and I both tried smaller rear sprockets and both went faster. Calmed the wheel lift down so I could get on the gas faster and harder.
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