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posted March 07, 2009 04:36 PM
Oil in exhaust?
I just installed my clems pan, put the exhaust back on and resealed. Put oil in 4qts checked for any oil leaks around pan no leaks found so installed plastics and took for a ride. Noticed during start up it was smoking a little but figured maybe unburnt fuel from starting and shutting off so much lately during the build. So I headed out the road went about 5miles and came back. Bike ran flawless. My Uncle said it was still smoking when i pulled in the driveway, I thought maybe Exhaust sealent was burning a little bit. Didnt think much about it. Decided to push bike onto the trailer to take to work to have some welding done did not start the bike. The ramp was a decent grade took 2 of us to push it up. Got the bike in the trailer and figured i would start it to to into the wheel chock...Didnt start just clicked, clicked, clicked, then fired running on 1-2 clynders. smoking bad, smoothed out to all 4 but oil dripping out of exhaust. Engine was hydrolocked. So i let it run for awhile still smoking but doesnt appear as much exhaust comming out of the pipe. Seems to run like it used to no missing just smoke when it gets hot buring oil in the exhaust. Do you think maybe it was overfull with oil, during the ride it got up in the airbox, then when the bike was pushed up the ramp it allowed the oil to go into the throttle bodies and down on the piston?Im kinda worried but seems to run good. your thoughts?
  
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posted March 07, 2009 05:03 PM
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I just installed my clems pan, put the exhaust back on and resealed. Put oil in 4qts checked for any oil leaks around pan no leaks found so installed plastics and took for a ride. Noticed during start up it was smoking a little but figured maybe unburnt fuel from starting and shutting off so much lately during the build. So I headed out the road went about 5miles and came back. Bike ran flawless. My Uncle said it was still smoking when i pulled in the driveway, I thought maybe Exhaust sealent was burning a little bit. Didnt think much about it. Decided to push bike onto the trailer to take to work to have some welding done did not start the bike. The ramp was a decent grade took 2 of us to push it up. Got the bike in the trailer and figured i would start it to to into the wheel chock...Didnt start just clicked, clicked, clicked, then fired running on 1-2 clynders. smoking bad, smoothed out to all 4 but oil dripping out of exhaust. Engine was hydrolocked. So i let it run for awhile still smoking but doesnt appear as much exhaust comming out of the pipe. Seems to run like it used to no missing just smoke when it gets hot buring oil in the exhaust. Do you think maybe it was overfull with oil, during the ride it got up in the airbox, then when the bike was pushed up the ramp it allowed the oil to go into the throttle bodies and down on the piston?Im kinda worried but seems to run good. your thoughts?
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Sounds like a reasonable theory. Does the bike still take 4 quarts with this clems pan? You could be over filled and the crank/rod assemblies are just dipping the surface of the oil in the pan and "splash" is depositing away to much oil on the cylinder walls.
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pazx14rider
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posted March 07, 2009 05:29 PM
That I dont know i had the bike up on a swingarm stand when i put oil in it. I only put 4qts and figured i would recheck it later. its in the middle of the sight glass now.
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Shane661
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posted March 07, 2009 05:40 PM
When you installed the pan did it come with a shortened pickup AND return breather hose?
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pazx14rider
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posted March 07, 2009 05:47 PM
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When you installed the pan did it come with a shortened pickup AND return breather hose?
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no only a shortened pickup no breather
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posted March 07, 2009 06:02 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 8 Mar 2009 02:16
Ok. Well, I don't know much about this setup, but looking at this picture:
You would think that both of these need shortened. Like I say, I don't know...but hopefully someone who does will chime in here.
Sorry I can't be of more help...the oiling system is still a scary area for me. 
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pazx14rider
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posted March 07, 2009 06:11 PM
I agree Shane makes sense if ones cut down so does the other. I thought of that during the install of the pan but they said nothing and there were no notes attached with the paperwork so i went ahead and installed the pan. in which they did do a nice job on it.
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posted March 07, 2009 06:47 PM
With the adams pan I am supposed to cut the breather hose right at the ceiling of the crankcase... otherwise it wil siphon...
Why they would ever run it that long even stock is beyond me...just seems easier to pick up the level and suck it out...
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posted March 07, 2009 06:51 PM
Tommys zx14 did the same thing with the same cut pan .... The fix is to cut the breather tube and inch or so .... Install 3 and 3/4 QTs of oil ... This is why i don't use a cut pan ... I want more oil NOT less...
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pazx14rider
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posted March 07, 2009 07:29 PM
Looking at the picture Shane put up (stock) both the pick up and breather would be submerged in oil at all times, I dont understand what the difference would be with a cut pan?
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posted March 07, 2009 07:48 PM
Edited By: dubious on 8 Mar 2009 03:50
the oil level will be higher/ questionable/ innaccurate, with the same or unproven volume in it... its ok for the pickup,
but the breather will puke more unless it is shortened...
Check your airbox... I bet its got alot of oil in it..
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posted March 07, 2009 07:50 PM
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the oil level will be higher, with the same volume in it... its ok for the pickup, but the breather will puke more.
well i guess i will be dropping the pan again shit!!
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posted March 07, 2009 08:34 PM
This has been documented somewhere. I thought it was on this site, but could have been on psychobike.
That's why I cut my breather tube to match the shortened pickup.
The "experts" (and I mean that with all due respect - I just don't remember which ones) say to just "yank it out" completely (for race-only, I assume).
To all: Don't get too carried away with the "lesser volume" idea. Clem's pan only loses about 4.5 oz.
The stated oil capacity (from the manual) is 4.8 US qt. 32 x 4.8 = 153.6 oz. 4.5 / 153.6 is about a 3% loss.
I would guess that most don't put the full 4.8 qts. stock. If "one" only puts 4 qts stock, then "one" is 0.8 qt. short, or about 25 oz. short, or about 17% less.
IMHO, the amount lost with Clem's pan is insignificant.
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posted March 08, 2009 03:43 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 8 Mar 2009 11:44
I don't think that 4.5 oz of lost capacity is that big of a deal. Unfortunately it is lost out of the sump, which is not that huge to begin with, imo. When I am holding the bike wide open for 1-2 miles, the last thing I want to worry about is running the sump low.
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posted March 09, 2009 12:29 PM
Well I removed the pan once again, when the pan came free I noticed the breather tube must have been kinked when I put the pan on due to not cutting it, or removing it. The oil just ran out of that tube like it was being poured into it when the pan was down. I did find on the recipt in small print to remove the breather tube so I was at fault. I just got off the phone with Clems asking If it would hurnt anything by removing the Breather tube because i still street ride the bike. What they said is go ahead and remove it...all it is, is a oil drain. so makes sense just some info to share. And I will take a few close up photos of the pan for ya Shane I didnt forget.
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posted March 09, 2009 10:09 PM
I have the Alien Head system and I recently relocated the drain plug to the rear of the pan and found it to be more than adequate clearance. The header is now slightly lower than the pan. I was also worried about running the sump low with the cut pan and chose this option.
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