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posted March 26, 2009 03:22 PM
I am out of stock and won't have any for 2 weeks.
The waterjet guys screwed up 50 of them!
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posted March 26, 2009 03:27 PM
how bad. I could modify it. I just need something to start with
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posted March 26, 2009 03:29 PM
They tapped all the holes 1/4" x 20 thread instaed of 6mmx1.0
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posted March 26, 2009 03:30 PM
i can work around that
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posted March 26, 2009 03:35 PM
I had to return the reject parts.
If they're good enough to use their good enough to pay for being the principal.
I wasn't paying for 25 pairs of fubarred parts.
Literally ... I have NONE on hand bro.
It will be 2 weeks.
Sorry.
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posted March 26, 2009 04:20 PM
cool thanks
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posted March 28, 2009 10:57 AM
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should I do it?
KZScott mentioned this mod to me...who else is running it like that?
I'm not sure how much better it is...the weight is further forward, which is good...but it is also higher up. I'd like to see some really fast bikes that run it that way...
Or else I need to do some math. 
Shane
Mostly stock wheelbase, of any of the bikes that I have seen, but every advantage adds up IMO.
Seen it done on a few on psychobike
For Drag racing the extra weight out front would be a plus. Street riding might make it fall
In towards the angle of your turn As Mass14 posted. Lyle I would go for it it does Look
Trick........... makes it " Your " ZX-14. Email me when you get time about the new 10 brackets. Still no PM thanks for the Deal on the levers.
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posted March 31, 2009 11:26 AM
Lyle,
check out my the poor man's BST rear wheel 
Totally copied you with the 4 mm gsx-r sprocket center:
Shane's probably wishing his new wheels looked this good 
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posted March 31, 2009 11:31 AM
This is the gixer axle on the zx14 swingarm
with the way my hanger and caliper will be oriented.
It mates with the torsion bar on the arm just perfect-
came out better than I thought it would  ... for myself
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posted March 31, 2009 11:35 AM
Looks great Stan!
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posted March 31, 2009 11:37 AM
This took some patience...
I'm just good with the dremel
I've measured it a billion times and only shimmed
the bottom shoulder of the axle slots- thus the height
on each side is not compromised.
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posted March 31, 2009 11:45 AM
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Looks great Stan!
Well... will see how well the spacing of the wheel and all is.
I've spoken to a local shop that can measure wether the wheel
and the chain run precise.
I already trust Lyle with my life running his zx10 fender adapters...
just picture that carbon fiber fender getting jammed in the forks
or the radiator 
I'm sure this is right on the money as well
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posted March 31, 2009 07:22 PM
Thanks for the confidence Stan.
I really didn't expect anyone to jump all over my work before I had proven it... s
However, as I stated before I did not run the wheel yet.... s
hope it works out for you...
All of the wheel spacing must be accounted for when you space the chainring,....
If the left or right wheel spacing is off, the sproket will also be off.
The next thing to do is get yourself an accurate alignment rod, the one that goes in the swing arm pivot, and back to the axle center... this way the wheel is aligned.
If the sproket is off, the chain will not mesh properly on the return side, or it will try to climb out of the teeth on the return side on top of the sprocket...
Hopefully the swingarm slots you enlarged are level, equal and square. This will create alignment issues as well.
If I had known I would have suggested you take the arm to a reputable machine shop, as they could have done it for 1-2 hrs labour, and deadly accurate.
Before you ride the bike gat ir on a rear stand, rotate the tire by hand to check chain alignment
If all looks good , immobilise the bike and make sure its stable and safe to run it in gear on the stand.... turn up the idle to about 2200 rpm, put it in gear and slowely let out the clutch, if the chain is not aligned you will see it trying to climb the sproket, or the chain bouncing.
If the chain is adjusted too tight you won't see it reacting on the sprocket as pronouncedly.
LMK how it turns out, be careful.
The wheel looks good, but its not CF black!
I couldn't do the BST wheels.
I just procurred a spare motor, 2ndary injectors on the way,.... etc etc.
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posted April 01, 2009 02:42 PM
Edited By: masszx14 on 1 Apr 2009 23:02
Lyle,
these are the guys that did the swap for me last year:
http://www.breaklites.com/
They guaranteed me 100% that the wheel was spaced properly
and the sprockets were aligned last time. I will trailer my bike to them
again when I bolt it up and have them look everything through with
this new set up... including those enlarged swingarm slots
I bought Shane's custom axle and I'll be using the thick brake side
gsx-r axle blocks (12.5 mm) on both sides in the slots for added support
and to utilize the extra leght of the McIntosh unit. I'll also have the axle lightened
slightly by increasing the inside diameter at a machine shop.
BTW Shane gave me a killer deal and overnighted it with UPS
I'll post pics when I have it all bolted up and ready.
Thanks for your time and words of advice once again!
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posted April 30, 2009 11:28 PM
Edited By: dubious on 1 May 2009 07:54
Progress has been steady but slow.
Making an entire custom bike takes alot of time , trial and error.
Many times I see a better way, or an improvement as I go, and I have been trying to eliminate or perfect as much as possible.
My agenda also depends on the parts suppliers, shipping, machinists, powder coaters, anodizers and my life too...LOL
Here's some insight with the frame work I did today to seal it up
I liked the fact that the heat sheilding will also brighten things up under the frame when working on the bike, so I painted the inside of the battery box in an effort to make things more visible as well. I have the sb6, a micro tech for the 2nd rail of injectors, ams 1000, and a bucch of other electrical components to stuff in there.
The underside of fuel tank also got the heat sheilding.
Plugging end welding every hole I could see, some places welding was prohibited due to confined spaces, this is where I used JB weld, or plastic the thicker 2 part epoxy called plastic steel.
I had a local fabricator do the welding, as I don't trust my skills with a frame that will cary my body over 200 mph...LOL
He also machined the threaded dowel tabs to replace the the well nuts in the frame.
He doesn't like heating the frame much from welding, so he only will tac up the stuff ususally, the I went behind him with JB weld and sealed every little opportunity for air leaks.
The only hole left is the factory air filter lid. I am contemplating welding the plate on, as silicone will only hold som much air pressure, and only for so long.
A few examples of doubling or redoing work...
I ended up pinching the PCV tube inside the box off, to reduce any pressure which could get into the battery box where I sealed it off with a weld.
I had to install the frt end , measure steering stop locations on the new gsxr frt end, then build up material under the bottom clamp, so I could tap it for the bolts, then position the eccentrics, I didn't like the allen head sticking out, so we machined the heads down and machined the eccentric dowels so the bolt heads are flush.
(not seen in this pic.)
Last week I had the engine all assembled, and the mechanic assisting me gouged the deck... after I just had it machined.
The engine was completly assembled except for the head and cams. when it happened
I tore the entire engine back down, had the deck resurfaced.
Well the local engine machinist did not want to machine down the top of the cyclinders deburr, the deck basicaly to remove nickasil off the very top which would be caught by the mill, sure enough the mill caught the nickasil, causing it to bounce.
I had to spend almost 2 hours lapping the deck with 600 then 1000 grit to work all of the imperfections out....
LOL... yup... sometimes it sucks to be me...
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posted April 30, 2009 11:47 PM
Edited By: dubious on 1 May 2009 07:51
Tomorrow its the engine.
deck is lapped, pistons rings fitted and lapped, bearings buffed,
New all sheet aluminum subframe came back from the powder coaters, so it will get installed too.
I installed different rear suspension links, had special spacers machined for them, and also installed a different eccentric link.
If you recall I had the adams links and eccentric on it.
The suspension was way too stiff, and not nearly as height adjustable as I wanted for street and track use, so went another route.
Also was not happy with the gilles risers on the clip ons, so I had to tear the frt brake master cylinder apart and have it machined so it would not interfere with the tank / frame.
More pics to come in the next few days.
I won't murphy myself and state where it "should be by monday" ...LOL
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posted May 01, 2009 03:52 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 1 May 2009 11:54
Very nice, Lyle. I went to a Penske seminar recently and found that the drag shock might not be the best for my LSR at Maxton. The rebound damping circuit is very slow, which is not good for bumps. This would likely apply to the street as well.
It is hard to build something that will wear 10 hats. I am going to focus on the 1/4 mile for awhile. Get my 8 second slip, and then refocus for LSR.
I really like the heat shielding and frame prep you have done.
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posted May 01, 2009 12:48 PM
Thanks Shane.
I went throught the trouble to have the turbo and header ceramic coated, why not complete the theory..?
Heat is a big issue with these bikes already.
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posted May 15, 2009 04:00 PM
Edited By: dubious on 16 May 2009 01:06
been away at work again, will be back in the shop next week.
I am thinking of O' ringing the cylinder deck next winter, other than billet shift forks I have done everything possible to the motor I think.
I was waiting to instal gapless piston rings for 1 month, when they arrived they were not the right size, for the stock ring grooves as I was told, so i ordered new pistons waited 2 more weeks, the JE's either needed to have the valve releifs cut, or new pistons anyway as my exhaust valves are oversized...only to realise while installing the MTC pistons with the gapless rings that the gapless were junk IMO, and would not maintain flat shape and were hanging up in the ring grooves....
Then the guy helping gouged the deck, i had to tear the bottom end back down, and take the cylinders to get machined -0.005. After 4 more days I got it back, had to hand lap the deck yet again as the stone bounced off the nickasil.
Then it was back to work for 2 weeks... when you are away 2 weeks at a time its hard to get anything done, and other work sourced.
Amongst that the entire new subframe, powdercoaters, anodizers, machinist had been holding back too.
I have dinked around with enough stuff, and am bolting it up.
Considering I work 1-2 weeks away at a time, it will be back together and running in the next 3 weeks.
Mechanically it will be simple.
Installing the DL32, TCH-4, Xd16,complete custom fuel system, ams1000, sb6 then programming and learining it all, should consume a couple days themselves. I also have to mod then paint the catalyst side panels, instal custom blinkers, keyless ignition/ alarm, nitrous system etc etc..
Yes 20 shot of nitrous... poor mans intercooler....alot easier and cheaper than fabricating an intercooler and all the plumbing.
Comparison of the skirts and wrist pin construction
Stock:
MTC on the left, coated JE on the right: Both are 9.5:1 compression turbo pistons:
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posted May 16, 2009 01:13 PM
Man Lyle, I wish I had your patience.....The bikes looking good.
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posted May 16, 2009 03:26 PM
Hahahaha ....
Patience ? whats that?
I really am an impatient person actually.
My desire to get it done RIGHT is the only thing overcoming my lack of patience.
I have been pretty pissed off with the whole ordeal quite a few times.
There have been days where I just had to say screw it, close the door, and drink! LOL
I can't wait to get back at it next week.
It will be a year of frustration finally paying off.
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posted May 16, 2009 04:02 PM
Yea but at least you will have a one of a kind zx14. I dont know of any builds this inventive. Hell even the pro's are just slapping paint jobs and bolt up stuff on them.
What is your goal with this bike? If you don't mind me asking? Is it a dragracer, all around hell raiser?
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posted May 16, 2009 05:23 PM
Edited By: dubious on 17 May 2009 01:33
It was initially to be a 300 pump fuel HP hellraiser, but since I moved last September, I now only live 10 minutes from the local dragstrip, and a few others within 2 hrs distance...before I was 6 hrs drive (1 way) to the nearest track, so I gave up on that idea before the move.
Over the last 8 months my goals have evolved to ~500 HP on race gas, more drag oriented, and LSR stuff.
I have also made vast strides to clean up some of the cobbled cosmetic stuff and drop more weight. The new subframe main spars weigh almost 8 lbs less than the modified zx14 cast ones.
It will be street legal, and with secondary injectors very drivable I am told.
I hope so I really enjoy riding in the mountains, and now I am only 1 hr away.
I have made a real effort to make it liveable on the street. I mean even little things that nobody thinks of like turning radius. The new steerings stops and frt end has been gone over about 5 times, and I found I could actually make the adjustable eccentric steering stops to allow a tighter radius, which is really nice with a long wheelbase bike as you probably know they need a lot of space to turn around. The stock gsxr bottom clamp had to be machined to fit the zx 14 steering shaft, as well as a spacer made for frame clearance, and the bottom of the bottom clamp was welded up, then machined and the original steering stops cut off to allow for the additional met al required for the custom steering stops.
The GSXR billet top clamp was modified, and the scotts damper mount is permanently affixed, then I got the works anodized black.
The rizoma billet resevoirs are also modified. I wanted to clean up the resevoir lines and mount the rizomas in a better fashion, so they were pluged at the stock out let using 6mm allen plugs, and then the bottom of the resevoirs were mounted using custom fabbed stainless tubes which also are the fluid lines to the master cylinders.
I didn't want to use the gilles risers, so i ended up having to machine the stock frt brake mastercylinder where the banjo bolt is to clear the fram and plastics otherwise the turning radius would be limited.
Pics for reference:
here you can see what I did to modify the rizoma's
You can buy the little minature versions through Voodoo I think? but they have little reserve capacity, and no sight glass.
The top clamp has been anodized black now, and the clip on risers are gone. That meant the bars are placed closer to the tank, and shroud, which caused interference . I had to do more machining and 3 trial fits to get everything just right. I am not a machinist, so i rely on his help and schedule when it comes time to shave the aluminum down.
Another shot:
Whenever I made a change it affected something else, like interference between the brake lever and top clamp around the fork, then the resevoir would clear the windscreen, but not the bleeders on top of the master cylinders, then I would want to rotete the levers to a better position, but the resevoirs were the wrong angle on the custom tubes.... it never ends...
winter is long here BTW, so I don't feel as rushed as you southern guys who ride 10 or 12 months in a year.
The new subframe has been powdercoated black, and it was all fabbed out of 1/8" aluminum plate that is boxed, the r6 tail and the main frame actually support the spars for torsional rigidity. I wish one of the locals would have a had a dimpler, as I would have like to do that with it too.
I had no idea I was moving, and going to be working away from home so much when I tore it apart, otherwise I would have bought a second bike, which BTW i almost did last week.
Another bike to ride would just be another distraction though.
Having no hyperbike to ride gives me the extra initiative to forge on and get it done.
I have a vmax as the family bike, and its not nearly inspiring enough to distract me from this project.
It already looks alot more finnished with the anodizing and powdercoating.
I hope it will turn out to be a very well rounded monster.
Monster power, killer at the track, and killer looks, yet streetable.
I might put it and the turbo busa I am building in the Local World of Wheels next year...
I hope they both turn out that nice. I also hope to give some of the local pro's a good run for their money with it.
The Canadian Prostreet champ lives in the same town as I ... LOL
I have been on the horn with people like Doug Meyers, Chris Jones, Bill Easson, the guys at MTC, Falicon, JE and a few other heavy hitters... all great people BTW who have provided alot of insight, and raised confidence in myself and the ability of the machine.
I think I have covered just about every angle 3 ways till sunday over the last year.
From my calculations, it should come in around 505 lbs wet, with the 40 lbs turbo hanging off it!
Thats about 100 lbs shaved....
I think I see BST's sometime in the future too....probably next year. ...that should cut a bit more fat off it!
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posted May 16, 2009 06:15 PM
Oh, and thanks for the interest BTW.
I kinda gave up on the thread and let it go, partially due to time restraints when at home, and partially due to lack of response or interest.
It gets the mojo gong when i am proded and start thinking about it more, so thats really good.
It's hard to remain focused when I am away for 1-2 weeks at a time.
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posted May 16, 2009 06:26 PM
I definitely like it. Keep the info coming!
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