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posted December 31, 2008 11:16 AM
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Bonneville 2008-- The results--
Bonneville 2008- The results…
For those not familiar with my Bonneville adventures, I have published a diary each year starting in 2006 when I was a rookie and my 14 was new. You may find the other two diaries in the search area.
The BUB International Speed Trials took place on the Salts of Bonneville the first week of September and the reason for this late posting is that the FIM in Switzerland has a problem with professionalism and time management. Even though their Congress met in late October to ratify the new Speed records at Bonneville, they have failed let anyone in the US know what is going on and my impression of the organization has since gone downhill. On the positive side the BUB people and the AMA has done a great job of running this outstanding event which is now into its fifth year. This year I took a friend of mine, Rich Sanderson of Santa Cruz, California along with me as my mechanic and he did an outstanding job.
The positive of the five days in attendance were we set two new World (FIM) (subject to their confirmation) and one National (AMA) record in class. The negative was out of twelve runs, eight of them were flawed by a strange problem with the engine. In the middle of the timed mile or shortly before, the bike would be operating at peak power then suddenly start to whine down all by itself until it reached an 8,000 rpm reading, then it would miraculous come alive again at 100 percent power. All recorded speeds were not the top speeds of the runs but what the timed mile indicated. As an example, in the modified or open class I reached a peak rpm setting which I know was around the 185 mph mark but because the engine cut out in the middle of the mile, the timed speed only came out to 173.65 mph. The top speed of the week was only 199.678 mph for a two way average of 196.567 mph but fortunately good enough for a new FIM and AMA record (in class).
I wanted to thank five outstanding sponsors-, Dan at Dynotunenitrous, Marc and Temple at Factory Pro, Dale at Holeshot Performance, Robert Aegerter at Plantronics and Frank at Casazza Oil in Reno, Nevada.
Why BUB International Speed Trials and not Maxton, Speedweek or Texas Mile?
To begin with, Nevada is the closest location to my habitat which is Santa Cruz California. Secondly, having gone to an avation test pilot school, I learned about numbers, conditions and variables. The BUB event currently is the only event that requires riders to go both ways down a track which accounts for any wind variations. Maxton and the Texas Mile venues are old military airstrips. As you may or may not know, main runways are always built into the prevailing winds so an aircraft can land into the wind to slow down this approach speed. I have never been to Maxton or the Texas Mile so I don’t know in which direction they run.
The SCTA and BNI are a great bunch of people and are the backbone of LSR. They also run cars and other vehicle with four wheels. Because of the great turnouts they have each year they generally only make their runs in one direction which doesn’t account for wind. A member also told me the car people feel the bike people are second class citizens. I don’t know if this is true but I respect them all.
The FIM out of Switzerland is regarded as the organization that sanctions World Speed records. The only venue in the US they come to on a regular basis is the BUB International Speed Trials. I also understand the SCTA occassionally has them out for special racing events on the salts. The FIM will come out for your own special World Record Speed Trial if you would like to attempt one… but you have to have deep pockets. My wife and daughters kick me out of the house for a week every September so that is why I have been coming to BUB.
Stingent Rules-
The FIM use to have the most strigent rules for motorcycles but starting 2009 the AMA is going to have the toughest rules for setting speed records. As an example, if you think you have a record and you are finished racing for the week the FIM requires the inspection of two cylinders whereas the AMA requires the inspection of all cylinders on the bike.
Measuring for displacement
Believe it or not inspectors have told me that some people were caught with two larger cyclinders and two smaller cyclinders. The racer would only allow the inspector to measure the smaller cyclinders. Inspectors inspect stroke and bore with their special tool and using mathematics, arrive at displacement.
Preparation for BUB-
This, being my third year of competing, I knew what I wanted to do with the bike before going to the salts. I wanted to keep it basically stock because I didn’t want to open up the engine. My goal has always been to have a record setting bike that I can ride comfortably on the streets. I decided to go with new velocity stacks from Factory Pro and a new nitrous system. This year I went with a fabulous little setup for the 14 from Dynotunenitrous. The system only utilizes two lines and the most aerodynamic little bottles that seemed designed just for LSR.
Last year I used the 2 and 2.5 lb bottles from NOS and they really stood out in the wind. As you may remember Bonneville racing involves three factors, horsepower, weight and aerodynamics, with aerodynamics being the most important.
Nitrous
As you can see these little bottles fit in nice and close to the frame. There is a set of bottles that come with the kit that are smaller (12 oz.) but I wanted plenty of NOS for the long sprays.
Another part of aerodynamics is airflow. Every hole and nook get taped over to help flow the airsstream.
And finally there is body position that is of utmost importance. I had Rich take pictures of me from the front to see exactly what stood out from the windshield and fairing. By tilting the head down and off to one side I figured I got another mph or two.
Nitrous-
Last year, because of the horrible salt, one of my lines broke loose from one of the jets and pure NOS went into one cylinder thus destroying the engine on my third run. Although a wet system does outstanding at the drag strip and on the street, I didn’t want to risk eight lines so I went with a system I read about here in Bikeland. After speaking the owner Dan at great length, he had the system I really needed. When the kit arrived it was beautifully made, looked classy and worked great. Because LSR requires you to have the end of the bottles safety capped, Robert, an outstanding engineer at Plantronics, the headset people, milled these caps for me personally along with the metal rod that went through my rear wheel to hold the weights.
This year I decided to add a Hub from Schnitz to complement my PC. The first thing we did to set it up was to go to some of my old Dyno runs to see where my engine cut off just before hitting the rev limiter. I know what the manual says about redline but I couldn’t rely on my tachometer being the same as the factorys.
Rich and I took my highest rpm achieved and then deducted 200 rpm from it to be the high mark on my Hub. The last thing I wanted to do was to spray into my rev limiter and having a chance of blowing the engine. I set the bottom of the range to 8,000 rpm.
I set up a switch on my horn button to allow the buttom to work my horn or to spray the nitrous. The reason for adding the Hub was to have one map for no spray and a second map for spray. I could have set up the Hub to automatically turn on the NOS at 8,000 rpm but I wanted to be in control of its release and to make sure it was released in the right gear.
Weight-
Having learned a lot from previous years I know that having a lot of power at Bonneville can be to your disavantage. The turbo Busas have a little secret called ballast. Most of them are filled with lead weight inside the frame going as high as 90 lbs. Once again I didn’t want to extend my bike or add weight that would make it unrideable on the street so I decided to go with weights added to my rear wheel. A good friend of mine, Dale Walker, experimented with them in drag racing (on his front wheel) so with my new axle I was able to fit them in nicely just under the exhaust.
Weights
Both weights
Fuel-
I wanted to go a fast a possible in the MPS (Modified Partial Streamline) class so I decided to go with fuel instead of gasoline. I asked a number of salespeople at the local speed shop what the difference was between fuel and gasoline and they all shook their heads and gave me a blank look. In 2006 I used Mr9 to get my first World record so I decided to go with “the girl that brung me to the dance”. To my dismay I found out that Mr9 was being replaced with Mr11 and most of the west coast distributors were short or out of both. Luckily I found Frank in Reno Nevada, an outstanding fuel distributor, on a spot that just happened to be on my route to Bonneville. He agreed to sponsor me with some Mr11. From my few years of going fast I found out that low octane is the best for your bike. I believe mr9 is 83 or 85 octane. I am in love with speed the Mr series produce although they are a pain in the butt to work with at the venue. Anyone who has work with them know that you can’t leave them in the gas tank or engine overnight and that after 4-6 days the fuel turns into jelly.
Arrival-
After two days of driving we finally arrived at the salt to find out that a big thunderstorm had just hit the night before and there was water everywhere.
Rich at the famous sign
Fortunately the forecast called for sun and we kept our fingers crossed. Everything at the event was delayed a day so we just set up camp.
The next day the sun rose and the place was beautiful.
Sunrise
The salts were dry and cars and trucks started flowing in with riders from all over the World. The plan of attack for us was to get some runs in on the books without the use of nitrous so nothing could possibly happen to the engine. We passed tech and got some runs in under our belt. The great news was the engine worked beautifully. The fastest run for the day was 199.678 mph with only a couple seconds of spray in the mile to check for traction. The good news was the rear wheel did not spin out of control like in the previous year.
Going fast
Traction is quite a misnomer at Bonneville. A motorcycle rear tire on the salts will never have traction at 200 mph like one would have on the street. People, more experienced than me, tell me that you lose 7 to 10% of your speed due to lack of traction alone. Add that to the fact that Bonneville is at approximately 4,700 ft of altitude and with the heat, the density altitude is much higher which robs the engine of another 8-15% power. The bottom line is a speed of 200 mph at Bonneville is very fast and would be much faster at sea level on a dry pavement. In the record books you can only compare speeds at Bonneville with speeds at Bonneville and not those at Maxton, Texas Mile etc.
Power-
It should be noted that my dyno runs at sea level came in at around 182 hp but as we all know, dynos results vary across the country and on how many beers one has had. In 2007 my bike was dynoing at 225 hp and 143 lbs of torque with my wet system and a 40 shot. That was entirely too much power and just spun the rear wheel through the whole mile. This year Rich and I went with the smallest jet in our ZX-14 nitrous kit, a 15 shot. Going fast at Bonneville is the result of a delicate balance of weight and horsepower, depending on the condition of the salt. This year the salt was very good so our hopes were up.
Another sunrise
The goal- 200 mph average for a two way run
Two hundred miles per hour at Bonneville is a great goal to have for a motorcycle with a stock engine. I personally do not know of anyone who has ever done it with a stock engine. In 2006 I did a two way average of approximately 195 mph so I figured though a series of calculations that I would need an additional 18 horsepower to reach that magical number. My first day brought out a speed of 199.67 with the 15 shot so late in the afternoon we exchanged it out for a 30 shot. The next day was going to be the big day. Goals were about to be reached!
The next day came and it very quickly became a very sad day. In the middle of the mile on my first run and with the tach around 10,800 rpm, the engine suddenly started winding down until it hit 8,000 rpm and then would suddently kick in again to peak power. Speed result was 194 mph. I bought the bike into my little pit and Rich and I began brainstorming. Bad Mr9? The can was opened four days previous but we kept it airtight. We checked the maps, pulled off the tank and took off the fuel pump… we checked everything. It had nothing to do with nitrous. Nitrous wasn’t even used on the run. One fellow racer mentioned that he’s seen Mr9 go bad after just three days. Rich and I decided to empty the tank and put in some fresh Mr11. We were ready to go when suddenly a streamliner when down the course, went throught the mile speed trap then turned over on its side. The vehicle then flew into the air and rolled end over end. The ambulance rushed over, pulled the driver out and then took off into the distance heading towards Wendover. We quickly found out the course was closed for the rest of the day. We sadly packed up camp and headed back into town to have some beers… or maybe more than some--
The next morning we were on the salt before sunrise and then at the riders meeting, they announced that the driver of the streamliner had died the day before. The driver, Cliff Cullett, was a very popular man in the LSR World and I was sorry to see him go although I didn’t know him personally. He did get a record for his efforts—
But we had to move on. During the first run that day the engine once again proceeded to slow down in the middle of the mile and explicatives began to emerge from beneath my visor. I brought my bike into the pit we began to brainstrom once again. As we threw out ideas a bike went by us on a run when suddenly the racer separated from his bike doing 145 mph. Once again the ambulance drove out and carted him away. It turns out his extended swingarm broke in two and he himself, broke his arm in seven places. Luckily that was the only thing that happened to him.
The next two days were filled with the same engine problem and we could never resolve it. The last day we switched over to the modified or “open” category and made four runs, all without nitrous and on gasoline for we had run out of “fuel”.
Modified
According to my tach the bike go up to 185 mph but the engine problems brought us into the low 170’s. All and all it was a quite frustrating five days.
Engine inspection-
We thought we had some records so the bike had to broken down once again for cylinder inspection.
For those of you who haven’t gone through this ritual, the 14 is the hardest bike in the World to inspect.
And doing it in the salts under a hot sun, well… unfortunately those little sheets of paper require it. It has to be verified that you raced in the class you said you raced in with the size engine you said you had. Although tired and quite frustrated, we headed back to Santa Cruz leaving the salts and a beautiful sunset.
A few notes-
My (our) 14 used to be the fastest “production bike, unopened engine” until that fox Leslie Porterfield, brought out the Honda CBR1000 and averaged 192.9 or approximately two mph faster then what I did in 2006. Yes I know she weighs less. Well, maybe the bikes are equal.
John Noonan allowed his leathers to fly open at around 230 mph and his cell phone flew out of his body. They had to close the course for twenty minutes to look for it.
More SCTA and ECTA people showed up this year making it truly the ultimate racing event in the world.
Because the winds never got below 3 mph (as required by the record books for streamliners) while I was there the streamliners never got a chance to run.
My 14 was the only 14 out there.
Things I would do differently-
I would not use a muffler. I truly believe for top end speed a muffler will hinder you.
I would bring a minimum of three fresh, unopened cans of fuel to the event.
I would bring a set of larger weights for my rear wheel.
I would lose 5-10 lbs of weight off my body for better aerodynamics. The 14 gas tank rides very high and even the smallest gut gets in the way.
After setting a World record last year, this little streamliner with it’s 50 cc engine came back with a turbo and went approximately 152 mph. See what aerodynamics does--
Ack Attack went out three weeks later and set a new World Record by going 365 mph. Wish I could have see that! Congratulations Mike!
Conclusion-
Bonneville is one of the most beautiful spots on this earth.
The sunrises and sunsets are some the best you will ever see. Fellow racers come from all over the World and they are some of the nicest people you will ever meet. Unlike other motorcycle venues, the SLR people are truly helpful and sincere. Need a part or help with your engine, no problem. The fastest people in the World are out there and if you want to know their secrets they will be glad to share them with you. Out on the salts it is one big family. Why don’t you come on out next year…
Flyboy
YouTube video-
I made a short video for two reasons. One to promote the sport and two, to make my trip tax deductable. Hope you enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGZt4zDuwCM
Turn up volume and click on “high quality”
And last but not least- Happy New Year to everyone!
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posted December 31, 2008 11:41 AM
Very enjoyable read, and the video was quite interesting as well. Thanks so much for sharing. I happened to also watch an adjoining video to yours...6000 something mph...Haysuse Maramba! LOL
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posted December 31, 2008 11:46 AM
Sounds like it was a blast.Congrats on your accomplishments,and Good Luck next year.Happy New Year to you two
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posted December 31, 2008 12:30 PM
wow flyboy, thank you very much for the great read and awesome pics!
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posted December 31, 2008 12:38 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 31 Dec 2008 20:39
Good read and nice pics. 
Are you saying that you spray the bike while running MR9/MR11? Generally speaking, a low octane oxygenated fuel would not seem to be well suited for an lsr application with nitrous. I don't think that combination is even recommended for the dragstrip.
Interesting.
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posted December 31, 2008 01:30 PM
Flyboy, thanks for sharing your adventure with us.
Did you ever figure out why you were losing power during the run?
I would like to set a goal for 2009 to participate in this event; not to set a record but just see what my personal best could be. Do you need really deep pockets for this?
May I contact you for some more detailed information?
Thanks in advance, and may you set more records in the new year!
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posted December 31, 2008 02:03 PM
Hey flyboy, do you run at El Mirage? I've been talking to a couple of the guys from the San diego roadster club about maybe joining up with them so that I can get an SCTA membership and try to make it out to an even in 2010. I would do it in 2009, but i'm going on deployment in may so i'll be down off the coast of south america again for 5 months.
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posted December 31, 2008 02:11 PM
Excellent read. Congrats on your efforts.
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posted December 31, 2008 02:25 PM
Great report!! Thank you for sharing. Might I suggest a fuel pressure gauge plumbed into the fuel injector rail to confirm whether you are loosing line pressure at high speed/high volume over extended periods. Possibly also open up the fuel tank vent in the cap to insure you are not incountering a partial vacuum lock in the tank while on high speed runs.
Good effort and Happy New Year to you to!
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posted December 31, 2008 03:59 PM
Edited By: flyboy on 1 Jan 2009 00:47
Thank you guys for your great comments. I am not a mechanic and have still not found out the cause for the power loss. Any suggestions would be helpful.
Shane- Spray worked fine in 2007 with Mr9 and worked well on the dyno three days prior to leaving for Bonneville. Appreciate your comments. I'm still learning and will ask around.
bawls- Never been there but it would be fun going. Let me know when you get back and good luck.
ratbyk- Great points to check out. Thank you.
Regarding video, the top speed is wrong. It should be 199.678 mph. Still trying to figure out how to reload an upload. I'll get it corrected soon.
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posted December 31, 2008 06:33 PM
Nice..........
Dale is a good guy - glad he helped you.
Would it be legal to cut the ends off the levers or use shorties for the runs?
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posted December 31, 2008 07:29 PM
I believe that you have to have the ball on the ends of the levers for any LSR events don't you?
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posted December 31, 2008 07:32 PM
Flyboy great job as allways ..The pictures are outstanding and your story makes me want to take a ride to salt falts...
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posted December 31, 2008 11:03 PM
Edited By: Ninja14 on 1 Jan 2009 07:05
quote:
I believe that you have to have the ball on the ends of the levers for any LSR events don't you?
So BEND those damn things outta the airstream...........
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posted January 01, 2009 11:36 AM
Edited By: Flyboy on 1 Jan 2009 20:43
quote:
I believe that you have to have the ball on the ends of the levers for any LSR events don't you?
Are you talking about the front brake and clutch levers? The rules don't mention them but I always remove my front brake lever for less resistance and for the fact that front brakes are never used on the salts for obvious reasons. Brake calibers are also widened or removed entirely. I also remove both grips weights which gives me another another mile an hour... or two.
An added note- I would be remiss if I didn't mention the excellenct help I've received through the years from Lee (Smokin') and Lyle (Dubious). These two gentlemen offer excellent advice and are always there for the new guy-- Thanks.
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Three World and four National Land Speed Records,
One faster red and white Cessna Turbo 210
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posted January 01, 2009 04:53 PM
Great story and pics; both are very much appreciated!
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posted January 01, 2009 05:33 PM
Great read Flyboy! Always look foward to reading everyones own description of their LSR experiences.
Thanks again for sharing.
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posted January 01, 2009 05:46 PM
Edited By: bigdtd on 2 Jan 2009 02:05
where is bonneville? nevermind looked it up, utah! what a salty state.
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posted January 01, 2009 07:40 PM
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Great read. I was really impressed with your video. (Modified record @ 174) with no screen and no fairings would have me flying off like the Good Year Blimp! Great job.
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posted January 01, 2009 07:49 PM
Did the girl w/ the naked busa run?.....can't remember her name.
She has been 203 I think.
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posted January 02, 2009 02:05 AM
congratulations William!
I just might join you in the next year or 2.
I found my crank bearings didn't like the 30 lbs of 40-50 hp shots I delivered to it previously, so once I get the crank polished the turbo will be mounted up.
Additionally I think I was delivered a dirty engine, as I am meticulous with oil changes and there was some mild scoring of my journals.
I need to inspect the rule book, as my bike is further from stock mechanicaly and asthetically than ever before, and possibly not to my advantage.
Happy New Year!
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posted January 02, 2009 12:41 PM
Bill,
Thanks for the notes and sharing your set-up notes. Have you investigated the Hub or the window switch - it sounds as though it is cutting the ignition at 10,800 and the starting up again at 8,000 - which I think you had mentioned were you start and end points - just a thought.
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posted January 03, 2009 12:19 PM
Kevin,
You may have answered the million dollar question-- Will let you know. Thanks for your keen insight--
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Three World and four National Land Speed Records,
One faster red and white Cessna Turbo 210
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posted January 06, 2009 05:32 PM
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Did the girl w/ the naked busa run?.....can't remember her name.
She has been 203 I think.
That is the earlier mentioned Leslie Porterfield. Check her out on the Discovery Channel HD Bonneville special: Speed Capitol of the World, which first aired last night, Mon. Jan 5th. 2008 female Rider of the Year and holder of 3 land speed records.
Great write up Flyboy. Although the hoops you have to jump though these days have multiplied to run there, the Flats are a special place.
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posted January 06, 2009 06:46 PM
Yes, Leslie took her turbo busa up to 234 mph from what I can remember. She's now known as the fastest girl on a motorcycle in the World. There's a quick shot of her in my little video and thank you for your comments.
By the way, Leslie is the girl who fell of fher bike last year going around 200 mph. She broke six ribs and punchered a lung. Besides being good looking, she is a real trooper.
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'There's more living in five minutes flat-out on a bike than some men have in an entire life'.
"The World's Fastest Indian"
One fast red ZX-14,
Three World and four National Land Speed Records,
One faster red and white Cessna Turbo 210
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