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posted December 09, 2008 09:58 AM
quote: i would take any ideas as to what happened as well as suggestions on replacement ideas
I would fire your mechanic. Just kidding. Hope you get it back together by the next race. Let me know if you need any MRX01 for February.
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posted December 09, 2008 11:47 AM
Edited By: flite leader on 9 Dec 2008 21:23
quote:
on removing the big nut ...................................use a breaker bar & keep it 90degrees
sometimes it gets off angle & can cause further problems
it is improper to use an impact......................sure it gets the job done
except it knackers the threads .........................resulting in a less likely
situation that your torque of the reapplied big nut will be correct
that applies to ANY fastener !!!!!!!!
if you want it to be right ..........
or stay right
IMPACTS ARE NOT USED
good mechanics know this...... great mechanics do this
Well thats what i am using, need to stop the engine from turning over, Tried brake/ maybe i need a helper to hold it, i only tried for a second it was getting late
they make a clutch basket holding tool
just take a hand full of old steels...........drill holes in them
then turn them & weld them to each other with the teeth matching
then weld you a 1foot or 2 foot handle to them
slidwe that onto the basket........................stops it from turning
you will be changing out clutches ....plates etc
youve made a tool you can use from now on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Correctly
make the handle long enuf to snub under the foot or on top
you can tighten ot loosen w/o doing any damage at all !!
i know guys that use many methods......................one that sends chills down my spine
put bike in gear.......stand on rear brake
use monster impact on nut.....................................D A M N ! thats wrong
that can cause tranny problems
so make you a homegrown clutch tool that will easily pay for itself
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JohnnyRocketZX14

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posted December 09, 2008 03:09 PM
IMPACTS ARE NOT USED
good mechanics know this...... great mechanics do this
Well thats what i am using, need to stop the engine from turning over, Tried brake/ maybe i need a helper to hold it, i only tried for a second it was getting late
they make a clutch basket holding tool
just take a hand full of old steels...........drill holes in them
then turn them & weld them to each other with the teeth matching
then weld you a 1foot or 2 foot handle to them
slidwe that onto the basket........................stops it from turning
you will be changing out clutches ....plates etc
youve made a tool you can use from now on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Correctly
make the handle long enuf to snub under the foot or on top
you can tighten ot loosen w/o doing any damage at all !!
i know guys that use many methods......................one that sends chills down my spine
put bike in gear.......stand on rear brake
use monster impact on nut.....................................D A M N ! thats wrong
that can cause tranny problems
so make you a homegrown clutch tool that will easily pay for itself
now that you have explained it i can recall seeing a few in the past, guess i didnt know what i was looking at lol.
i will make one for sure,
Thanks again
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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1badzx12r
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posted December 09, 2008 03:33 PM
quote:
quote:
on removing the big nut ...................................use a breaker bar & keep it 90degrees
sometimes it gets off angle & can cause further problems
it is improper to use an impact......................sure it gets the job done
except it knackers the threads .........................resulting in a less likely
situation that your torque of the reapplied big nut will be correct
that applies to ANY fastener !!!!!!!!
if you want it to be right ..........
or stay right
IMPACTS ARE NOT USED
good mechanics know this...... great mechanics do this
Well thats what i am using, need to stop the engine from turning over, Tried brake/ maybe i need a helper to hold it, i only tried for a second it was getting late
they make a clutch basket holding tool
just take a hand full of old steels...........drill holes in them
then turn them & weld them to each other with the teeth matching
then weld you a 1foot or 2 foot handle to them
slidwe that onto the basket........................stops it from turning
you will be changing out clutches ....plates etc
youve made a tool you can use from now on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Correctly
make the handle long enuf to snub under the foot or on top
you can tighten ot loosen w/o doing any damage at all !!
i know guys that use many methods......................one that sends chills down my spine
put bike in gear.......stand on rear brake
use monster impact on nut.....................................D A M N ! thats wrong
that can cause tranny problems
so make you a homegrown clutch tool that will easily pay for itself
each to his own ...but whats the differance of the engine TQ on that input shaft as compared to that impact driver TQ on that input shaft ...i guess next a tool will be needed to remove output counter shaft sprocket nut ...instead of useing a impact ...
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flite leader
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posted December 09, 2008 04:41 PM
quote:
quote:
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on removing the big nut ...................................use a breaker bar & keep it 90degrees
sometimes it gets off angle & can cause further problems
it is improper to use an impact......................sure it gets the job done
except it knackers the threads .........................resulting in a less likely
situation that your torque of the reapplied big nut will be correct
that applies to ANY fastener !!!!!!!!
if you want it to be right ..........
or stay right
IMPACTS ARE NOT USED
good mechanics know this...... great mechanics do this
Well thats what i am using, need to stop the engine from turning over, Tried brake/ maybe i need a helper to hold it, i only tried for a second it was getting late
they make a clutch basket holding tool
just take a hand full of old steels...........drill holes in them
then turn them & weld them to each other with the teeth matching
then weld you a 1foot or 2 foot handle to them
slidwe that onto the basket........................stops it from turning
you will be changing out clutches ....plates etc
youve made a tool you can use from now on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Correctly
make the handle long enuf to snub under the foot or on top
you can tighten ot loosen w/o doing any damage at all !!
i know guys that use many methods......................one that sends chills down my spine
put bike in gear.......stand on rear brake
use monster impact on nut.....................................D A M N ! thats wrong
that can cause tranny problems
so make you a homegrown clutch tool that will easily pay for itself
each to his own ...but whats the differance of the engine TQ on that input shaft as compared to that impact driver TQ on that input shaft ...i guess next a tool will be needed to remove output counter shaft sprocket nut ...instead of useing a impact ...
to some just getting it done is all thats necessary
NOT taking into consideration the damage done this time or the next
then we hear laments & groans about missed shifts..........chipped teeth etc
& then the $$$$$$$$$$$$$
that clutch basket fix if cheap.....& givin your bud a six pack & sharing a pizza with him while he welds it up is PRICELESS
remind me Never to let you change the sparkplug in my lawnmower
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posted December 09, 2008 05:47 PM
Any time you see scattering like that you have to wonder about impact shock. You've see the cager not preload his drive train, just high rpm and dumping the clutch. This shock action usually takes out the drive line first or the tranny. Many of you guys preload without even thinking about it, just a natural thing.
PS. 15,000 miles on Muzzy turbo stage1,nothing new to report, no oil consumption, 40 mpg if very careful, not off the lying computer, original clutch, 25,100 miles total. About 37 minutes WOT time. Engine sounds like new, checked valves at 23,000, no adj necessary, everything nominal.
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JohnnyRocketZX14

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posted December 09, 2008 08:18 PM
Edited By: JohnnyRocketZX14 on 10 Dec 2008 04:34
quote: Any time you see scattering like that you have to wonder about impact shock. You've see the cager not preload his drive train, just high rpm and dumping the clutch. This shock action usually takes out the drive line first or the tranny. Many of you guys preload without even thinking about it, just a natural thing.
PS. 15,000 miles on Muzzy turbo stage1,nothing new to report, no oil consumption, 40 mpg if very careful, not off the lying computer, original clutch, 25,100 miles total. About 37 minutes WOT time. Engine sounds like new, checked valves at 23,000, no adj necessary, everything nominal.
ok so did davej just imply i dont know how to ride???
pretty sure you cant high rpm and dump the clutch when running a shinko slick (or any other decent tire) you would either flip the bike or shock the tire and blow it off. In either case you would never run a 1.41 60 or any 8 sec pass for that matter ( well unless its a slider clutch or multi stg lock up ) which you can tell from the pics its not.
If you dont drag your bike on a regular basis its not the same thing so 25000 miles doesn't mean much
you can bring that original clutch turbo to the track anytime
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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smokinzx14

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posted December 09, 2008 08:49 PM
Edited By: smokinzx14 on 10 Dec 2008 04:51
NO NO NO Johnny did not do anything wrong , this is NOT his falt ... I have two clutch baskets blow on me ( not on a zx14 )... But i could take one out at anytime on my zx14 ...Most likely it was a casting flaw in his basket ... We are pushing these stock parts way past the intended limits and shit is going to happen sooner or later ..
I would say to anyone including myself to look over the clutch basket at the time you replace your clutches ... You might spot a small crack before it becomes a real mess or worse ..
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davej
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posted December 10, 2008 08:25 AM
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quote: Any time you see scattering like that you have to wonder about impact shock. You've see the cager not preload his drive train, just high rpm and dumping the clutch. This shock action usually takes out the drive line first or the tranny. Many of you guys preload without even thinking about it, just a natural thing.
PS. 15,000 miles on Muzzy turbo stage1,nothing new to report, no oil consumption, 40 mpg if very careful, not off the lying computer, original clutch, 25,100 miles total. About 37 minutes WOT time. Engine sounds like new, checked valves at 23,000, no adj necessary, everything nominal.
ok so did davej just imply i dont know how to ride???
pretty sure you cant high rpm and dump the clutch when running a shinko slick (or any other decent tire) you would either flip the bike or shock the tire and blow it off. In either case you would never run a 1.41 60 or any 8 sec pass for that matter ( well unless its a slider clutch or multi stg lock up ) which you can tell from the pics its not.
If you dont drag your bike on a regular basis its not the same thing so 25000 miles doesn't mean much
you can bring that original clutch turbo to the track anytime
Not at all, with your 1/8 being perfect it's clear your a good rider I don't know how fast your loading the drive train. We have a very short season in Utah and lucky to make 24 runs in a season. The turbo is a road bike that dabbles at the strip. The 1/8 mile is terrible, high 6's @ 108 with 147 mph @ 10.01. That's at high altitude with outside air temp 90+ degrees. Wheel base is stock just lowered to middle hole on the Muzzy lowering links.
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1badzx12r
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posted December 10, 2008 11:35 AM
to some just getting it done is all thats necessary
NOT taking into consideration the damage done this time or the next
then we hear laments & groans about missed shifts..........chipped teeth etc
& then the $$$$$$$$$$$$$
that clutch basket fix if cheap.....& givin your bud a six pack & sharing a pizza with him while he welds it up is PRICELESS
remind me Never to let you change the sparkplug in my lawnmower
i don't see ANY ANSWER to my QUESTION ..
I JUST SEE UR BABBLING OR RAMBLING ON in your mind SET stuff
WHEN I can go to any given shop and watch them take that counter shaft sprocket off WITH A IMPACT ..
so BEING your bike put together so perfect you shouldn't need plugs in your lawnmower
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posted December 10, 2008 01:27 PM
Edited By: KZScott on 10 Dec 2008 21:28
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i don't see ANY ANSWER to my QUESTION ..
I JUST SEE UR BABBLING OR RAMBLING ON in your mind SET stuff
WHEN I can go to any given shop and watch them take that counter shaft sprocket off WITH A IMPACT ..
so BEING your bike put together so perfect you shouldn't need plugs in your lawnmower
welcome to my world. check out the stuff in the dragbike zone. we are having the same problem trying to get flite to make sense
oh and yeah, i second the motion to get a billet basket. MTC in my 12
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posted January 07, 2009 06:05 PM
Edited By: JohnnyRocketZX14 on 8 Jan 2009 02:09
Ok back on subject, I got a complete basket off an 08. The ring gear is different on 07 so the basket will not work(guess i mail mine in and go billet) , but the inner hub ,clutch and pressure plate seem to be the same. Does anyone know for sure if they are???
mine were toast so i hope i can use them so it wasnt a total waste of money!!!
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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JohnnyRocketZX14

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posted January 07, 2009 06:13 PM
Also Falicon, muzzy or APE billet basket??
Muzzy's is hard anodized, does this really make it stronger??
want the best product with a quick turn around, trying to make the hurricane alley finals
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Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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posted January 07, 2009 07:38 PM
+1 on smokins post.
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posted January 07, 2009 07:39 PM
clutches
quote: Ok back on subject, I got a complete basket off an 08. The ring gear is different on 07 so the basket will not work(guess i mail mine in and go billet) , but the inner hub ,clutch and pressure plate seem to be the same. Does anyone know for sure if they are???
mine were toast so i hope i can use them so it wasnt a total waste of money!!!
Its all the same except the drive gear. 06-7 has the cushion in the gear,but both will work,just differant part numbers. Check inner hub real close for warpage, I had one manifactured wrong and just by luck i caught it'' It had cracked the basket...........Bill
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JohnnyRocketZX14

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posted January 08, 2009 06:19 AM
Thanks bill , when you say both will work you mean i would have to have my 07 drive gear installed on the 08 basket right?
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Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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posted January 08, 2009 08:55 AM
After 500-600 passes, you can expect to find a weak link somewhere.
Chain and spockets soon if not already done.
Billets baskets are nice but there are a lot of passes being put on stockers without any problems. You could save some money by taking kawasaki_rick's offer.
I've used impacts on the clutch basket for years without problems.
Don't make this into any more than it is.
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posted January 08, 2009 06:04 PM
clutches
quote: Thanks bill , when you say both will work you mean i would have to have my 07 drive gear installed on the 08 basket right?
Exactly wright JR zx14'' any will work but why not go billet while your in there, i understand that cost is an issue,and as stout as the 14 clutch is chances are it wont explode again but if it does,that billet basket would have been cheap insurance. It usualy takes the cases with it, Atleast that didnt happen this time........
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posted January 14, 2009 04:32 PM
Edited By: JohnnyRocketZX14 on 15 Jan 2009 00:35
ok so i must admit It sure is pretty!!!! even feels real slick without any oil ! fibers are going to slide so very nice !! guess it has lots of silicone mixed in as well...
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Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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posted January 15, 2009 07:49 AM
Nice!
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posted January 15, 2009 08:20 AM
I'm jealous that look's very nice!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted January 15, 2009 08:38 AM
Nice! +1
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