Smooth_G
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posted November 14, 2008 02:08 PM
there is nothing like the uncorked 14,,when i stay off it for a few days,,,i have to regroup to adjust to the power n speed again, it puckers my asshole,,u need to be ready for this bike or u r going to get hurt
  
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bawls
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posted November 14, 2008 03:41 PM
nah, but it is fast. The 14 is in no way dangerous. It's much less violent than a 1000 ever thought about being.
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Lucky Lo
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posted November 14, 2008 09:45 PM
True that bawls! My 05 ZX10 is all teeth and claws compaired to our 06 14, (flies out, pc, pipe). Don't get me wrong, I think the 14 is the fastest, most exhilerating bike ever, but I also find it to be predictable, dependable, and confidence inspiring. Not any lables I'd hang on MY 1000 !!
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MJ
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posted November 15, 2008 01:20 PM
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So there we were with the propane torch and some brand new screwdrivers. We removed the frame covers and heated the screwdriver. I took first crack at it and MAN those screws are in there tight. Long story short, in a 2 hour period we only got one "fly" out.
The first screw came out without much fanfare but the second one - oh my! We got about 2 full turns on the thing and it was stripped. Necessity is the mother of invention. I grabbed a pair of long handled pliers, crumpled the little "collar" around the head of the screw to create grab points and twisted it out. It was actually EASIER than slowly turning it with the screwdriver and it felt really good manhandling that little bugger out of the hole.
Couple things I learned - First, you must keep the flies still as you're turning the screw because when the flies start to open it changes the angle of the screwdriver against the head of the screw which can lead to quicker stripping of the head. Second, as soon as you run into any resistance turning the srew, it's time to re-heat the driver. Brute force is not your friend in this operation. Third, if you strip out the screw part-way through the operation it's not a total loss. You'll need some standard, long handled pliers to finish the removal of the screw but it's totally possible.
I'm going to do everything in my power to find one that already has the flies out when I look for mine but at least I'll know what I'm up against if I can't locate one that already has the work done.
GSXR
Don't heat the screwdriver, use a soldering iron on the screws themselves. They'll come out SUPER easy with no hammers required. Mine look like they were never touched by a screwdriver after I pulled them....they came out that easy 
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gsxrassassin
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posted November 15, 2008 08:11 PM
Wow! I just got home from my buddy's house and the flies are OUT!! We popped the covers back on, dropped the tank and buttoned everything back up. Now we have to find a decent map for him to run. Suggestions? Thanks to everyone who gave advice and offered suggestions to help in this job - and by job I mean torture-thon.
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bawls
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posted November 15, 2008 09:00 PM
I think that muzzys has flies out maps, but if not I'm sure that there's someone on here that has one they will share.
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Bluebyyou
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posted November 16, 2008 04:01 AM
 Edited By: Bluebyyou on 16 Nov 2008 12:02
Shoot Muzzy Performance support line an e-mail with your elevation, bike info and year, and your exhaust style/type and other specific mods. They will e-mail you back the appropriate map. sales@muzzys.com
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Lucky Lo
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posted November 16, 2008 01:55 PM
Maps are downloadable free at dynojet/ power commander website.
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NYC ZX-14
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posted November 16, 2008 04:45 PM
Edited By: NYC ZX-14 on 17 Nov 2008 00:46
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before starting fly removal you should
1) run the motor through a heat cycle (or use a heat gun later to heat screws)
2) tape off the throttle
3) i can't remember which side of the motor its on, but zip tie off the actuator arm that opens and closes the throttle bodies so they can't be opened.
4) magnitize the screwdriver
5) be sure and tap the new screw driver a few times with a hammer to seat it in the screw
6) apply hard steady pressure perpindicular to the thottle body arm that the plate is screwed to as to not push the plates open or strip the screw
7) should come out fairly easy...remove zip tie...enjoy
Good advice. I only see problems with two points:
1) Running the motor has NO effect as the flies are in the intake ports and they stay cold no matter how hot the engine gets since cold air is always rushing past them and they are WELL away from the combustion chamber. Use a cheapo type straight soldering IRON (not soldering gun) to heat the scews. 45-60 seconds per screw right before turning them does the trick.
5) BAD idea tapping with a hammer UNLESS you accidentally damage a screw head and then absolutely MUST hit the screw to RE-set the screwdriver. Instead, get a NEW, long screwdriver that fits PERFECTLY and use VERY firm, perpendicular and steady pressure as you loosen each screw.
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bawls
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posted November 16, 2008 06:37 PM
I used a brand new craftsman screwdriver and just tapped the back of it with the handle of another screwdriver lightly before ever trying to turn it, and mine came out easy as all of your mom's without even adding heat to the equation.
sorry about the mom comment.
not really... but seriously though.
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NYC ZX-14
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posted November 16, 2008 09:58 PM
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I used a brand new craftsman screwdriver and just tapped the back of it with the handle of another screwdriver lightly before ever trying to turn it, and mine came out easy as all of your mom's without even adding heat to the equation.
sorry about the mom comment.
not really... but seriously though.
Tapping with a SCREWDRIVER is ok..... But with a HAMMER??? Slates, be CAREFUL what you advise the readers here on ZX14. Not all are mechanically inclined!! LOLOL
As for the "mom" comment, here's my response: http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=42716&pagenumber=1
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gsxrassassin
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posted November 17, 2008 10:11 AM
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I used a brand new craftsman screwdriver and just tapped the back of it with the handle of another screwdriver lightly before ever trying to turn it, and mine came out easy as all of your mom's without even adding heat to the equation.
sorry about the mom comment.
not really... but seriously though.
Tapping with a SCREWDRIVER is ok..... But with a HAMMER??? Slates, be CAREFUL what you advise the readers here on ZX14. Not all are mechanically inclined!! LOLOL
As for the "mom" comment, here's my response: http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=42716&pagenumber=1
Wow, a lot of differing info. That just goes to show how difficult and how unique each bike is in regards this procedure. I can guarantee two things from my experience with my buddy's bike
1: The screws would not have come out PERIOD without heat. The very first screw took us reheating the scredriver like 3 times before it started turning. And any more force than we were applying would have led to stripping the head (as evidenced when we got it completely out - the cross grooves were starting to give).
2: The screws were quite a bit easier to remove after tapping them. We used gradually more tapping as we moved to each screw because it seemed after a good tapping the screws turned a lot easier - like they were loosened up or something by the tapping.
All I can think is each bike is a little different. Some need a little more work than others to remove these things. Bottom line - Kawi shouldn't have put the second set in there to begin with.
GSXR
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Bluebyyou
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posted November 17, 2008 11:44 AM
No flies is da only way to go. Let's put it this way, have you ever heard of anyone who put 'em back???
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gsxrassassin
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posted November 24, 2008 10:46 AM
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No flies is da only way to go. Let's put it this way, have you ever heard of anyone who put 'em back???
Good point! The weather took a real crap here in Chicago. Yesterday was decent but no seat time - the guy's out of town so there won't be any real testing until he's back and the weather's decent again. It seems I'm more pumped than he is about it. It's clear I'm going to have to get my own 14 because he's just not as excited about the bike's potential as I am.
GSXR
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14black
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posted November 24, 2008 01:40 PM
Edited By: 14black on 24 Nov 2008 21:40
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Don't heat the screwdriver, use a soldering iron on the screws themselves. They'll come out SUPER easy with no hammers required. Mine look like they were never touched by a screwdriver after I pulled them....they came out that easy
Damn, I wish I'd thought of that before I did mine - they were a huge pain in the ass without heat!
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