killjoy_1
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posted August 21, 2008 12:20 PM
How to practice cornering technique?
On most of my riding, I just lean over some and take the corner. It does not seem like the 14 needs to be leaned over much to take most curves. But I am wondering if many of you out there actually lean off the bike and extend the knee while cornering? I have a hard time getting off the seat like someone riding a liter bike. Anyone have suggestions on how to practice this?
  
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stevewfl
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posted August 21, 2008 12:34 PM
 Edited By: stevewfl on 21 Aug 2008 13:35
I suggest sign up for any track school and try some track days.
Also, read every book and watch every video you can by Keith Code.
http://www.motorcycle.com/products/a-twist-of-the-wrist-3967.html
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stevewfl
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posted August 21, 2008 12:34 PM
its simple to ride the 14 hard in the turns. if I'd have had riding gear with knee pucks on instead of jeans, a lot more of the bottom would be showing in this pic. I should've got some real knee drag pics before I sold the bike. Fish has a good one if you search back far enough.
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BobC
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posted August 21, 2008 01:50 PM
Edited By: BobC on 21 Aug 2008 14:53
Are you asking how to go round a corner carrying more speed or how to get your knee down for effect? I think the 14 is pretty nimble for a big bike and wouldn't really want to find where the limits are. It's certainly possible to touch the bellypan down, as already discussed by some posts on this forum. If you are getting near to this you don't need any lessons, just knee sliders. I don't think hanging off has any place on the highway but I agree with the suggestion to take a track day.
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ninjanick
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posted August 21, 2008 02:40 PM
Highways are straight and you can't turn on them anyways. I dispise highway riding. I love the back roads of the country.
You definitely need to do a trackday at your nearest track where STT is at.
sportbiketracktime.com
I've done it and it's a great learning tool on how to handle a high performance sportbike other than just twisting a throttle backwards. Also read Keith Codes "Twist of the Wrist II".
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countersteer
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posted August 21, 2008 04:12 PM
track days and books will not teach you aggressive street riding. just get out there and do it - riding with others helps too.
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ninjanick
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posted August 21, 2008 05:06 PM
Edited By: ninjanick on 21 Aug 2008 18:10
Yeah, them track guys can't ride aggressive on the little 'ol street. It's better to practice hardcore cornering and riding on an enclosed course so if or when you lowside/highside it's not on the street. Therefore, you'll know the bikes limits better and most likely won't ever have to worry about lowsiding on the street, because you know you and your bikes limit. Then when you hit the street you'll be quicker than the majority like countersteer who think they're fast.  The above post is rediculous sorry. Continue.
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stevewfl
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posted August 21, 2008 05:29 PM
Edited By: stevewfl on 21 Aug 2008 18:39
most guys I know that do track days rode aggressive on the streets LONG LONG before they saw a track day.
riding skills learned on a track and aggressive city riding really are two topics, many are fortunate and do both.
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countersteer
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posted August 21, 2008 06:25 PM
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Yeah, them track guys can't ride aggressive on the little 'ol street. It's better to practice hardcore cornering and riding on an enclosed course so if or when you lowside/highside it's not on the street. Therefore, you'll know the bikes limits better and most likely won't ever have to worry about lowsiding on the street, because you know you and your bikes limit. Then when you hit the street you'll be quicker than the majority like countersteer who think they're fast. The above post is rediculous sorry. Continue.
nick youll get fucking killed if you think you can ride the street like a track. youre from bumblefuck ohio anyway what do you know.
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countersteer
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posted August 21, 2008 06:26 PM
better yet nick, lets post up pics of our zx14 lower fairings, pegs and rear tires and let everyone else be the judge oh who can ride and who cant.
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ninjanick
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posted August 21, 2008 07:20 PM
Edited By: ninjanick on 21 Aug 2008 20:25
If your scraping plastics w/out dragging elbow, it just means you need your sag set and need to hang off more.
I don't need to prove myself to some college kid in NY. I "know" what I can do kid. Yeah I'm about 7 years older and I called you kid, because you act just like one on this forum. A loud mouthed typical NY punk.
Also, the street isn't track material so yeah you're right, but you become a much better street rider and anybody with sense knows that.
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ninjanick
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posted August 21, 2008 07:22 PM
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aggressive city riding really are two topics, many are fortunate and do both.
You weirdo. Who the fuck rides the city? LOL.
Steve, don't make me think you don't know what you're talking about please? I like you man.
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stevewfl
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posted August 21, 2008 08:33 PM
Edited By: stevewfl on 21 Aug 2008 21:35
Nick, I DON'T know what I'm talking about! But to address your other comment - many of us ride city. I been doing it the past few months. And I may hit Jennings for a track day or two on the way to the mountains in a few weeks!
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ninjanick
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posted August 21, 2008 08:39 PM
Edited By: ninjanick on 21 Aug 2008 21:42
Riding stoplight to stoplight is lame and boring dude. Too each their own I guess. We just leave our neighborhood around here and we are out of Dayton within 15minutes and heading south to the twisties. Our group up here is a really big group from all around the state (Cbus, Cincy, Dayton, Toledo, Cleveland, and all in between who is part of our local board), but we normally always have nice turn out around 15 of us Dayton guys/girls every Sunday and we split up in 2 groups, moderate riders and fast and head out for hours and have a blast man. Florida must be different. We hate riding around town here, it's boring. You can't use the motor doing that.
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ninjanick
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posted August 21, 2008 08:45 PM
Edited By: ninjanick on 21 Aug 2008 21:46
I want to ride that 40 mile road of all switchbacks that you posted that one day. I'll have to bring a buddy or so down there and meet up with you. We'll keep it small, 4-6 peeps so we can enjoy the ride better.  Will you PMME that route and area on a google map? I'd like to share it with some friends to talk about going down there sometime man.
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ninjanick
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posted August 21, 2008 08:47 PM
CS will comment soon, but he's barking up the wrong tree. I'm not going to internet fight, it's ignorant.
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lietoome
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posted August 21, 2008 10:37 PM
Some of us are forced to learn on the streets. Obviously a track is the smartest thing to do. If you slide out, you don't have to worry about telephone poles, parked cards, curbs, and oncoming traffic.
I have a few places I've taught myself how to lean,. You just gotta be creative and use them when there's the least amount of traffic, and do a dry run before hitting it hard. We have a small windy road that goes right up the side of a mountain here. It has a lot of switchbacks and good pavement. I actually practiced hanging off the seat and transitioning from left to right...no way I'd attempt to put a knee down up there though. You really don't have to go fast at all to hang your ass off the seat. Sure, some more experienced riders my roll up on you and call you a fag or poser, but whatever, I don't ride for them, I ride for me. Besides, the last asshole got his,,,,
If you don't have good protective gear, save up and buy some. Same with a track day...sock away a little each month and it adds up. Your first instructed track day will be worth its weight in Gold. You'll learn more in those 2 days than you could learn after 5 years on the streets by yourself.
Also, self-educate. Books, talk to people & ask questions. Stay away from the fuggers that run and are getting in trouble. They'll run from the cops and you'll be the slowest mammal. LOL
Best of Luck, use your head and you'll be good to go.
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posted August 21, 2008 10:41 PM
quote:
On most of my riding, I just lean over some and take the corner. It does not seem like the 14 needs to be leaned over much to take most curves. But I am wondering if many of you out there actually lean off the bike and extend the knee while cornering? I have a hard time getting off the seat like someone riding a liter bike. Anyone have suggestions on how to practice this?
on a 600....
no, seriously....
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