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posted August 10, 2008 08:35 AM
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08 zx10 testing
Testing i wish ....Week after week we keep getting rained out and it's getting very old real fast .. So the zx10 has just been sitting in my shop collecting dust ... Friday the forecast looked good so i took a chance and headed down to the 1/4 mile to get a few runs on the zx10 with the new Mods ... I have only run the zx10 one before time at the 1/4 mile and that was in all stock form ... Best ET was 9.98 @ 142 .. Now the bike has a pipe ( Brocks Alien head ) , P/C ( street map) stock air filter , half a tank of pump gas and 61 inch wheel base... I'm 148 pounds in my gear..
I get to the track and the Temps are 95 Deg with humidity 80% + with a 7 to 10 MPH head wind ..You can't get much worse air than we have right now in FL ..I'm thinking to myself that i should hold off testing till the temps cool off a bit in a few months but i'm here so lets get it over with ..
First run off the trailer I netted a 9.24 @ 147.94 with a 1.53 60 foot time ... 1.53 60 foot !!!! Damn i need help , i could fall off my zx14 and run a better 60 foot time ..
Second pass 9.18 @ 148.00 with a 1.51 60 foot time ... Well it didn't suck as bad as the first one ... Hell all i need to do is hit a 1.45 60 foot like i did 8 weeks ago and i got a 9.08 no sweat .. So i'm feeling better with the thought of hitting a good number on the next pass and what happens ??? It starts raining !!
Well at least i have a base line number to work with... Next testing i'll pull the air filter and add Brocks track map and maybe some MR9 fuel ... Biggest thing i need is more seat time to get my 60 foot times down .... And NO rain !!!!
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posted August 10, 2008 08:51 AM
Wow...148 lbs. suited. I wonder how much weight impacts 60 foot times? Are a lot of 200+ lb. guys out there going 1.3's hand clutching stock motor bikes?
It seems possible to me, but I'm so far away from there that I can't be sure...
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posted August 10, 2008 09:00 AM
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Wow...148 lbs. suited. I wonder how much weight impacts 60 foot times? Are a lot of 200+ lb. guys out there going 1.3's hand clutching stock motor bikes?
It seems possible to me, but I'm so far away from there that I can't be sure...
Shane
Yes 200 pounder can 60 foot a zx14 in the 1.30s ....Liter bikes even with a pro would be doing good in the 1.40s with a stock clutch ...It's hard to get the liter bikes to move with NO Torq ...
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posted August 10, 2008 09:01 AM
That's awesome. What were your 1/8th mile et and mph? I had a shitty night at the track last night. DA was like 4200 with actual elevation @ 1800 ft. Track temp was about 76ish and humidity was pretty bad for here. I'm bone stock right now with no mods and 165ish with no gear on. My bike was a fucking unicycle all night. My 60ft times were hooooorrrriiiiibbbbblllllee. The best 60ft I had all night was a 1.69. And my best et was 6.63 @ 111. Hopefully sometime soon I'll be able to lower my bike, strap it, and re-gear. The main thing that I need is seat time though.
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smokinzx14
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posted August 10, 2008 09:08 AM
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That's awesome. What were your 1/8th mile et and mph? I had a shitty night at the track last night. DA was like 4200 with actual elevation @ 1800 ft. Track temp was about 76ish and humidity was pretty bad for here. I'm bone stock right now with no mods and 165ish with no gear on. My bike was a fucking unicycle all night. My 60ft times were hooooorrrriiiiibbbbblllllee. The best 60ft I had all night was a 1.69. And my best et was 6.63 @ 111. Hopefully sometime soon I'll be able to lower my bike, strap it, and re-gear. The main thing that I need is seat time though.
1/8 mile numbers were weak ... 330 3.95 1/8 mile ET 5.98 @ 121 .24 .. I have gone a few high 5.80s @ 123. when i was running mid 1.45 60 foot times ..The air was a bit better then also ...
Get yourself a strap and more seat time and your numbers will fall ... 
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posted August 10, 2008 09:56 AM
I was wondering when we was going to hear something again about the 10 Lee. Question, How does the clutch feel on that bike. Is is grabby or do you have enough feeling to comfortably slide it out. At 61 inches, there is no way you are throwing her away unless you are staging with really low RPM especially on a litre bike like you said with no tq!
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posted August 10, 2008 12:18 PM
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I was wondering when we was going to hear something again about the 10 Lee. Question, How does the clutch feel on that bike. Is is grabby or do you have enough feeling to comfortably slide it out. At 61 inches, there is no way you are throwing her away unless you are staging with really low RPM especially on a litre bike like you said with no tq!
The clutch is fine and has pleanty of play to work with ..Not grabby at all , you can slip it as far as needed ...I was leaving very soft , Stagging at 4500 sliding the clutch out and twisting the throttle at the same time ..Nothing like i do with the zx14 ..
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posted August 10, 2008 03:35 PM
Edited By: salsa1 on 10 Aug 2008 16:51
Hi smoking..still awesome performance in a short time you have on the 10R...
I am all well too acquainted with lets say a string of 1.5's in the 60 foot....I weigh 205 before suiting up...so that explains why with me to a point...best advise I can give ya is if you have a choice and you want to see hands down improvement is to do the first gear conversion....
but that my friend requires splitting the cases...while I have not done it I am a firm believer this will allow you to gear down as much as you want and not kill your top end with required short gearing....your 60 ft times would improve..don't you agree?
I have mine set up very low after repeated attempts with different gearing...always wanted better with stock first gear....but did not manage to get off last year to see my plans realize just yet........broken wheelie bar at the track ect.....kinda long story..not given up..just too busy this season..not sure if I will do first gear conversion..but I know it would help me greatly....
My ZX-10R 04 is set up with home converted wheelie from bar pingel for a stock wheelbase ZX-10R (yet to see how good it works ) , muzzy lockup clutch , solid strut in place of rear mono-shock, front slammed..lowered rear , ... on board electronics to tell me the air fuel ratio - which I can change as needed...mickey Thompson racing slick, co2 shifter , aftermarket clutch basket and a few other goodies....
have a brand new 5 gallon drum of mr-9 (used u4 before) waiting to be dialed in to whatever air fuel ratio I determine will work best...I can log real time data.....and with track results do any changes as needed...neat stuff..just time consuming to dial in bets map...need track time....
still my biggest problem will be gearing too low for a good 60 foot and killing my top end in the process......you being lighter can get away with more..but still....
I think ...first gear change out is a must to the serious dragracer like you ..that all I see that could help the torque issue which is really coupled with a very high first gear......experimenting will let you know if I am right...again you are lighter that helps....
take care..I like your drive with the 10R..
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posted August 10, 2008 04:46 PM
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Hi smoking..still awesome performance in a short time you have on the 10R...
I am all well too acquainted with lets say a string of 1.5's in the 60 foot....I weigh 205 before suiting up...so that explains why with me to a point...best advise I can give ya is if you have a choice and you want to see hands down improvement is to do the first gear conversion....
but that my friend requires splitting the cases...while I have not done it I am a firm believer this will allow you to gear down as much as you want and not kill your top end with required short gearing....your 60 ft times would improve..don't you agree?
I have mine set up very low after repeated attempts with different gearing...always wanted better with stock first gear....but did not manage to get off last year to see my plans realize just yet........broken wheelie bar at the track ect.....kinda long story..not given up..just too busy this season..not sure if I will do first gear conversion..but I know it would help me greatly....
My ZX-10R 04 is set up with home converted wheelie from bar pingel for a stock wheelbase ZX-10R (yet to see how good it works ) , muzzy lockup clutch , solid strut in place of rear mono-shock, front slammed..lowered rear , ... on board electronics to tell me the air fuel ratio - which I can change as needed...mickey Thompson racing slick, co2 shifter , aftermarket clutch basket and a few other goodies....
have a brand new 5 gallon drum of mr-9 (used u4 before) waiting to be dialed in to whatever air fuel ratio I determine will work best...I can log real time data.....and with track results do any changes as needed...neat stuff..just time consuming to dial in bets map...need track time....
still my biggest problem will be gearing too low for a good 60 foot and killing my top end in the process......you being lighter can get away with more..but still....
I think ...first gear change out is a must to the serious dragracer like you ..that all I see that could help the torque issue which is really coupled with a very high first gear......experimenting will let you know if I am right...again you are lighter that helps....
take care..I like your drive with the 10R..
yes i think that low first gear would be a help for sure ...Brock told me the same thing ... My guess the 15/41 gearing i'm using now may be causing the low MPH i have been seeing ..
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posted August 10, 2008 07:14 PM
Good jooooobbbb!!!!!!!!!!! SMoking. I was waiting patiently. Still some damn good numbers for the 2-4 time out. As in one of your first postings on the ten. Yes I see 8 ths coming on that thing for ya. Wish I could do it.
But at 220 LOL and possible getting bigger, i can only dream. BUT I"M ON A DIET THOUGH. If I get back to 190-200 that will be good for me.
SO whats next for mods. Are you planning on taking the flies out soon? Sounds like you've already geared down. Seen no filter is coming up.
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posted August 10, 2008 10:20 PM
Ya got that little sucka BOOGIING!
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posted August 11, 2008 06:48 PM
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Good jooooobbbb!!!!!!!!!!! SMoking. I was waiting patiently. Still some damn good numbers for the 2-4 time out. As in one of your first postings on the ten. Yes I see 8 ths coming on that thing for ya. Wish I could do it.
But at 220 LOL and possible getting bigger, i can only dream. BUT I"M ON A DIET THOUGH. If I get back to 190-200 that will be good for me.
SO whats next for mods. Are you planning on taking the flies out soon? Sounds like you've already geared down. Seen no filter is coming up.
I think air filter out and some better fuel ... That may make up for this bad air we have right now .. And the most important item ( seat time ) ...
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posted August 11, 2008 07:01 PM
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Good jooooobbbb!!!!!!!!!!! SMoking. I was waiting patiently. Still some damn good numbers for the 2-4 time out. As in one of your first postings on the ten. Yes I see 8 ths coming on that thing for ya. Wish I could do it.
But at 220 LOL and possible getting bigger, i can only dream. BUT I"M ON A DIET THOUGH. If I get back to 190-200 that will be good for me.
SO whats next for mods. Are you planning on taking the flies out soon? Sounds like you've already geared down. Seen no filter is coming up.
I think air filter out and some better fuel ... That may make up for this bad air we have right now .. And the most important item ( seat time ) ...
what is the elevation of the track you run at and also what was the DA the night you were running?
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posted August 11, 2008 07:20 PM
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Good jooooobbbb!!!!!!!!!!! SMoking. I was waiting patiently. Still some damn good numbers for the 2-4 time out. As in one of your first postings on the ten. Yes I see 8 ths coming on that thing for ya. Wish I could do it.
But at 220 LOL and possible getting bigger, i can only dream. BUT I"M ON A DIET THOUGH. If I get back to 190-200 that will be good for me.
SO whats next for mods. Are you planning on taking the flies out soon? Sounds like you've already geared down. Seen no filter is coming up.
I think air filter out and some better fuel ... That may make up for this bad air we have right now .. And the most important item ( seat time ) ...
what is the elevation of the track you run at and also what was the DA the night you were running?
Track is right at 60 feet above sea level and the DA this time of the year is normal to see 3600 to 3900 ...
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posted August 11, 2008 07:31 PM
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Good jooooobbbb!!!!!!!!!!! SMoking. I was waiting patiently. Still some damn good numbers for the 2-4 time out. As in one of your first postings on the ten. Yes I see 8 ths coming on that thing for ya. Wish I could do it.
But at 220 LOL and possible getting bigger, i can only dream. BUT I"M ON A DIET THOUGH. If I get back to 190-200 that will be good for me.
SO whats next for mods. Are you planning on taking the flies out soon? Sounds like you've already geared down. Seen no filter is coming up.
I think air filter out and some better fuel ... That may make up for this bad air we have right now .. And the most important item ( seat time ) ...
what is the elevation of the track you run at and also what was the DA the night you were running?
Track is right at 60 feet above sea level and the DA this time of the year is normal to see 3600 to 3900 ...
i wish i could run at 3800' the track i run at is always between 7700-8100' it sucks next year ill hit the road and run on some good tracks
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posted August 11, 2008 07:36 PM
do you have any plans to remove the flies at all?
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posted August 11, 2008 07:43 PM
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do you have any plans to remove the flies at all?
I don't know ... I have seen no proof so far that pulling them helps in drag racing .. I have seen no dyno numbers either ... All i have heard is butt dyno reports ... But i will keep looking into it ...
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posted August 11, 2008 09:13 PM
3900 DA at near sea level? OUCH. Hey Lee, how bad will a 4200 DA effect ET and MPH normally? Was it just me running 2-3 tenths of a second slow, or did the Air have a lot to do with it. At 18ft above sea level and good air i was running 6.40 @ 117, and then went out last weekend and was running 6.60-6.70 with the mph about 3-4 mph low for the times. Does that seem about right?
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posted August 11, 2008 09:48 PM
I'd be interested in seeing what that lower first gear would do for a ZX 10 as well...........i think i raised that issue right when you got the ZX 10 smokin.
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posted August 12, 2008 02:58 AM
When you guys are talking about the first gear on the 10, are you talking about modifying the tranny? Has this been done on a new 10 yet?
Really enjoy your threads, Lee.
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posted August 12, 2008 05:35 AM
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do you have any plans to remove the flies at all?
I don't know ... I have seen no proof so far that pulling them helps in drag racing .. I have seen no dyno numbers either ... All i have heard is butt dyno reports ... But i will keep looking into it ...
I have personally rode the 06-07 ZX10R before and after the flies were removed, AND LET ME SAY though it was my butt dyno too. That thing had a lot more go in the low to mid-range. Started flying the front like a Southwest AirPlane taking off.
All that being said, still we didn't get the thing dynoed. So still a butt dyno. But I am willing to bet my next check that it raises a little power in the low to mid range on the 06-07 for sure.
Did a lot for the 14 and exspecially with the 10R. Kaw has had to make the thing more linear in power so the flies I would think are limiting the lower end power to acheive that.
All in all, Smokey you are giving us a detailed step by step analysis of the 10 as best you can.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!
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posted August 12, 2008 06:22 AM
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3900 DA at near sea level? OUCH. Hey Lee, how bad will a 4200 DA effect ET and MPH normally? Was it just me running 2-3 tenths of a second slow, or did the Air have a lot to do with it. At 18ft above sea level and good air i was running 6.40 @ 117, and then went out last weekend and was running 6.60-6.70 with the mph about 3-4 mph low for the times. Does that seem about right?
Well i lose a tenth and a half to two tenths in the Summer Vs Winter here in FL ..
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posted August 12, 2008 06:27 AM
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When you guys are talking about the first gear on the 10, are you talking about modifying the tranny? Has this been done on a new 10 yet?
Really enjoy your threads, Lee.
Thanks.
They do make a low gear for the 04 05 06 and 07 zx10 ..But i have yet to see or hear if it will fit the 08 zx10 ...The bike is so new nobody has any soild info yet ....
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posted August 12, 2008 12:37 PM
hate to split the cases before you get much testing in
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