speedfreak69
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posted July 13, 2008 12:27 PM
NEED SOME OPINIONS PLEASE!!!!!!!
what's up everybody? i'm new to this board and haven't been on any boards for 2 years for that matter. i need a comparison from a few people with experience on both the hayabusa and the zx-14. i'm looking to get another bike next year. in the past i've had a 99 busa(1397,cams,exhaust,etc.) , an 02 ZX-12 (for 3 months because i didn't like the way it handled and wasn't impressed with it's bottom end power), an 02 BUSA (lowered, stretched, mc express turbo by TMH that made 340hp to the rear wheel) , and an 05 BUSA (lowered, stretched, with a GHETTO STAGE TO TURBO by TMH that made up to 425hp at the rear with race gas and boost turned up). i love the BUSA, but also like the way the ZX-14 looks and was just wondering how much better the 14 was over the 12 and how the 14 compares to the BUSA, as a side note, i am 6'7" tall and 290lbs. thanks ahead of time for any non-biased opinions. steve
  
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posted July 13, 2008 01:11 PM
14 to 12: no comparison, better in every regard. 2008 14 to 2008 'Busa: too close to call power and 1/4 mile wise. the 14 has a better chassis and clutch for launching, the 'Busa still has an amazing amount of aftermarket support that no other bike can match. Sounds like you are the type to modify to hell, so the Busa would be easier/cheaper for you. However, if you dont want to be like everybody else, the 14 is a viable alternative that can match the 'Busa blow for blow equally setup.
The 14 is also a more forgiving bike for taller/bigger riders, and if someone tells you the Busa handles better I'll be the first to raise the bullshit flag. It's, once again, a wash in the handling department - though the 14 needs stiffer springs front and rear to do it justice, the Busa is sprung properly from the git-go.
So it comes down to the factor that everyone likes to dismiss: Cosmetic. Which one looks better to you? That will probably be the last time I ever say that about a choice between a zuk and kaw. 
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posted July 13, 2008 01:15 PM
Oh yeah, the 14 dyno's 5-10hp lower than the Busa, but thats because it has a working ramair that the computer enriches the air fuel ratio for. Unless you load a dyno map, its at a disadvantage to the bench racers. That being said, I've seen 4 dyno shootouts at local shops were the mildly modded 14's are always smoking the older Busa's, and at one of them there was a Yosh PCIII equiped '08 Busa that came in 4th. Behind a ZX10. lol Take that with a grain of salt, I live in Seattle, not exactly the racing / modding capital of the world.
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posted July 13, 2008 01:16 PM
get the 14, it is a smooth ride. both are fine bikes.
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speedfreak69
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posted July 13, 2008 01:44 PM
thanks for the input ! much appreciated. one question for you sticks-n-stones. were you saying that the busa or the 14 are better handlers from the factory? not quite sure from your response. thaanks
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posted July 13, 2008 02:47 PM
Good friend of mine got an 08 Busa and we weight about 5 lbs appart. my 06 is stock except fly's removed and p.c.. did a few 2nd gear roll-ons starting at about 50 mph. By the time we hit 100, I had him by about 5 bike lenths. If I had my fly's in, he would have pulled on me
Next we switched bikes, first thing I noticed is the Busa does have some vibration. The brakes are better on the 14. Handling is 90 percent rider, so its close.
Now to the 1/4 mile, we both got about a dozen runs in and we both hit a few 10.0s. I manged to sqeeze . 9.9. Now MPH which indicates horsepower. After comparing slips both bikes are about the same, so guessing theirs less than a 5 HP differance between the two.
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smokinzx14
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posted July 13, 2008 03:02 PM
One ride on a zx14 with a pipe and flys removed you will say ( Damn i couild have had one of these 3 years ago)
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speedfreak69
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posted July 13, 2008 04:15 PM
it amazes me that guys are running in the 8's with stock motored 14's. i just read 2WHEEL TUNER that featured rickey gadsons bike and he's running 8.90's w/o a power commander. it's lowered, stretched, piped and running that damn fast. of course he's no slouch of a rider, either. apparently there's some damn good riders on here also.
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posted July 13, 2008 04:29 PM
The only advantage the Busa has over the 14 is aftermarket support.
The 14 has some issues with pressurizing the airbox over 8-10 psi, but the box is much largere than the plenums made for the busa, making it a much better power delivery when it is sealed up tight.
A couple of reputable real big name engine builders arealso using the zx14 rod journal on modified busa cranks, as the 14 has a a superior crankshaft design.
FBG also told me they have never seen any transmission as stout as the zx14!
The zx14 clutch is far superior to anything out there as well!
Its a great platfrom!
Both are great bikes, but I have heard the busa still has the same clutch slave support, and 2nd gear breakage issues as before, whereas I have never heard of anyone breaking gears on the 14!
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posted July 13, 2008 06:51 PM
speedfreek,
I'm 6'6" and 220lbs. I can tell you that the 14 has much more forgiving ergonmics. I don't think you can go wrong with either bike, but each has its own small advantage in different areas. Go with which ever bike stirs you soul the most unless you're going to be doing some serious sport touring, then it's defintely the 14.
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posted July 14, 2008 06:28 AM
You asked, I'll give you the honest truth: The rider determines who comes out ahead in any kind of handling contest between the two. As mentioned already, the 14 has very superior brakes, a smoother engine, and softer suspension. The Busa has a more aggressive riding position which makes tighter roads easier to navigate at speed, but dont mistake "easier" for "Faster".
I am a better than most rider when it comes to cornering, size be damned, and have just this summer blown away a 1098 Ducati, a Aprillia Factory, a '08 GSXR 1000 and 600, and a couple R6's. Most of those riders where good enough riders in there own minds to talk smack before the ride, couple even smirking when I said "don't try to keep up when I start pushing it in the tighter corners, just ride your own pace because I do things you arent supposed to be able to do on a 14". Not a one was near me when I returned to legal speeds. That being said, my buddy on his modded 636 normally leads the rides and when he turns up the wick I usually have to do a bit of reeling in on the straights...
The 14 is a VERY stable bike, and when cornering it leans in really well to a certain point. That point is reached where you still have a half inch of chicken stripes left on the tires. To get a farther lean you have to manhandle the bars a bit because the front tire feels like it wants to 'fall in' to the corner. That feeling goes away if you firmly grip the bars and manhandle it, keeping the bars from turning into the corner. I never had a bike that required a heavy touch like that, took a bit to learn it - most bikes like a light touch on the bars with as much weight as possible on the pegs. The 'Busa I rode (older model but ergo's and dynamics supposedly are nearly identical on the '08) didnt have that fall in issue, but it also didnt feel as neutral as the 14 either. It just felt heavy all over with a higher turn in effort where the 14 just glides in like James Bond sippin a martini.
In summary: 14 is the easier and smoother bike to ride on a mountain road, up to the point where you start carving the corners with authority. The 'Busa fits that mold better, but once you get the feel for the 14 handling that edge effectively goes away.
These plus's and minus's I'm pointing out are all pretty subtle, and the scales never tip decisively one way or another. So go sit on each, descide for yourself which fits you better and call it a win.
PS: Yes, there are some of the best top speed and dragstrip riders in the US on these boards, and I'm not in either category. Not even close, just a loudmouth with some experience...
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posted July 14, 2008 08:19 AM
quote:
You asked, I'll give you the honest truth: The rider determines who comes out ahead in any kind of handling contest between the two. As mentioned already, the 14 has very superior brakes, a smoother engine, and softer suspension. The Busa has a more aggressive riding position which makes tighter roads easier to navigate at speed, but dont mistake "easier" for "Faster".
I am a better than most rider when it comes to cornering, size be damned, and have just this summer blown away a 1098 Ducati, a Aprillia Factory, a '08 GSXR 1000 and 600, and a couple R6's. Most of those riders where good enough riders in there own minds to talk smack before the ride, couple even smirking when I said "don't try to keep up when I start pushing it in the tighter corners, just ride your own pace because I do things you arent supposed to be able to do on a 14". Not a one was near me when I returned to legal speeds. That being said, my buddy on his modded 636 normally leads the rides and when he turns up the wick I usually have to do a bit of reeling in on the straights...
The 14 is a VERY stable bike, and when cornering it leans in really well to a certain point. That point is reached where you still have a half inch of chicken stripes left on the tires. To get a farther lean you have to manhandle the bars a bit because the front tire feels like it wants to 'fall in' to the corner. That feeling goes away if you firmly grip the bars and manhandle it, keeping the bars from turning into the corner. I never had a bike that required a heavy touch like that, took a bit to learn it - most bikes like a light touch on the bars with as much weight as possible on the pegs. The 'Busa I rode (older model but ergo's and dynamics supposedly are nearly identical on the '08) didnt have that fall in issue, but it also didnt feel as neutral as the 14 either. It just felt heavy all over with a higher turn in effort where the 14 just glides in like James Bond sippin a martini.
In summary: 14 is the easier and smoother bike to ride on a mountain road, up to the point where you start carving the corners with authority. The 'Busa fits that mold better, but once you get the feel for the 14 handling that edge effectively goes away.
These plus's and minus's I'm pointing out are all pretty subtle, and the scales never tip decisively one way or another. So go sit on each, descide for yourself which fits you better and call it a win.
PS: Yes, there are some of the best top speed and dragstrip riders in the US on these boards, and I'm not in either category. Not even close, just a loudmouth with some experience...
+1...well said
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posted July 14, 2008 09:52 AM
Very straight forward Sticks!
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speedfreak69
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posted July 14, 2008 03:39 PM
i appreciate everyones opinions and prompt responses. you guys are great! as i stated earlier, most of my experience was on BUSAS, and mostly turbo busas at that. if i get a 14, it will be slammed/stretched for sure. i'm not a serious corner carver so my main concern is this; DOES THE 14 HAVE A BROAD TORQUE RANGE LIKE THE BUSA?
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posted July 14, 2008 05:18 PM
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i appreciate everyones opinions and prompt responses. you guys are great! as i stated earlier, most of my experience was on BUSAS, and mostly turbo busas at that. if i get a 14, it will be slammed/stretched for sure. i'm not a serious corner carver so my main concern is this; DOES THE 14 HAVE A BROAD TORQUE RANGE LIKE THE BUSA?
That would be a yes if you remove the flys on the 06 07 zx14 .. If you get an 08 there is no need to remove them because they open way faster unlike the 06 07 model ...Smokin ..
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speedfreak69
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posted July 14, 2008 05:23 PM
thanks bro! if i get one next year, i hope to ride with some of you guys( and girls) depending on what area you're from. thanks again for the input.
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posted July 17, 2008 08:17 PM
"One ride on a zx14 with a pipe and flys removed you will say ( Damn i couild have had one of these 3 years ago) "
Well said, glad I jumped on an '06 when they were released to the masses.
My personal experience was a lot of vibration in the busa, but I can't speak for the '08. I can comment on the fact that my ass-2-knee ration was uncomfortable on the knee joints. This was one of the reasons I went with the 12 over the busa. The busa is still set up with the same egronomics as the older busas, therefore, there is no comparison in comfort between the busa and the 14. The 14 steals the show when it comes to being comfortable. I even sold my bar-risers after I installed them---the 14 is so damn comfortable its crazy. -----and stoopid fast without the flies(2006).
Both are great bikes, pick on and ride.
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posted July 18, 2008 12:13 AM
I say the same thing about the flies removed.....the bikes power band is so ridiculous! I couldn't be more satisfied with a motorcycle. Except for the scarce recall, I am totally satisfied. This bike handles so well. People will tell you how big it looks but I put people to shame with smaller more capable bikes in the turns. I don't even see them in my mirrors. Zx-14 to me fits like a glove. It does everything so well.
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